العلمانية المؤمنة

04:33 Jun 24, 2011 

seems good, I guess we all thought you need something different :-)

22:34 Jun 23, 2011 

I don't think that any of the suggested translations are more suitable than "religious secularism". Please see http://www.belcherfoundation.org/edwards_view_of_religious_s...

22:37 Jun 22, 2011 

maybe "theistic secularism" would fit the essence of the idea

19:01 Jun 22, 2011 

Thank you for your concern but no worries I am a 30+ years professional always taking care of being subjective, about the spelling of
عالمانية
actually the current state of Arab media is not in its best;
full of spelling mistakes, I would consider
علمانية
a common misspelling :-)

18:39 Jun 22, 2011 

Yes, I was just reminding us to stop before turning this into a discussion of personal opinions :-)
I wasn't aware of the spelling عالمانية, even though I know it derives from عالم. In any case, علمانية is a very common spelling.

16:42 Jun 22, 2011 

no i wasnt trying to post personal views I was saying that it is difficult to grasp the notion because of contradictions and was correcting a spelling mistake in the Arabic text
عالمانية
is the correct spelling

16:08 Jun 22, 2011 

I think that our own views on religion and politics here are irrelevant (not to mention that discussing them is banned on this site!:-)). What matters here is the fact that many people who consider themselves religious/God-fearing/ people of faith (regardless of their religion) also believe that religion should be separate from state. And this is what Sadeq's text is about, and what he needs to translate. Obviously, how these views are applicable, and how controversial they are, differs from one religion to another. :-)

15:59 Jun 22, 2011 

besides the point that it is
عالمانية من عالَم وليست علمانية من علم

14:51 Jun 22, 2011 

I meant Nesrin's comment on monotheism/polytheism ... about secularism, I would refer you to the Sate of Texas incidents that started the sarcastic establishment of the "Flying Spaghetti Monster" :-))

11:57 Jun 22, 2011 

I think you agree with Noha, not with me (as I haven't proposed an answer) :-). As regards the definition of secularism: notwithstanding the (all too brief) Merriam Webster definition, when people talk about secularism it's generally in the sense: "the belief that government or other entities should exist separately from religion and/or religious beliefs" (from a Wikipedia article). That is, secularism is seen as a form of government. Someone can be a Muslim, Christian or Jew, but at the same time support secularism as a form of government. The word isn't usually used to refer to non-political contexts. For example I wouldn't say "He doesn't pray because he is a secularist". So secularism does NOT equal "lacking faith" or "غير مؤمن", and in my humble understanding there is no contradiciton in terms at all.

11:34 Jun 22, 2011 

I'm aware that secularism and religious are normally a contradiction in terms, but the writer in his essay talk about secularists who are religious (Muslim) i.e. neither atheists nor religious fanatics.

10:45 Jun 22, 2011 

I cant grasp the notion of being 'secular' and 'of faith' at the same time?!

10:39 Jun 22, 2011 

the asker suggestion "religious secularism" is kind of contradicting .. since secularism= non-religious
merriam webster:
": indifference to or rejection or exclusion of religion and religious considerations"

10:34 Jun 22, 2011 

I agree with Nesrin's

10:29 Jun 22, 2011 

maybe this would help:
http://intellectmaster.blogspot.com