Glossary entry

English term or phrase:

auntie

English answer:

(India, slang) An affectionate name for an older woman.

Added to glossary by Malwina Chełminiak
Aug 30, 2011 18:43
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English term

auntie

English Art/Literary Poetry & Literature Culture / stereotypes / India / post-colonial literature
My question concerns a passage from the 'The Buddha of Suburbia' by Hanif Kureishi, which mocks a stereotypical image of India that a British person might have (this is London, 1970s):

"Everyone looks at you, I'm sure, and thinks: an Indian boy, how exotic, how interesting, what stories of *aunties* and elephants we'll hear now from him. And you're from Orpington."

My question is: is the meaning of "auntie" here different from "a familiar or diminutive word for aunt" and if yes, what is it?

(Yes, I'm familiar with the chapter "Of Aunties and Elephant" in "Black British Literature" by Mark Stein, but it doesn't explain much).

I'll be very happy to read your ideas!

Discussion

Charles Davis Sep 1, 2011:
@Adam I'm very glad if the references were helpful. I don't think I'll post an answer (nice of you to suggest it), because I think Lorena's is basically right, but having read and greatly enjoyed The Buddha of Suburbia some years ago, I know just what you mean, and I wouldn't be surprised if a number of things were in Kureishi's mind when he mentioned "aunties", including quite possibly young Indian boys' sexual fantasies about older women (something that is by no means confined to India, of course). I think the point is that an aunty is any older woman, and that older women are, in various respects, a very important part of Indian society and of the experience of young Indian boys. Good luck!
Malwina Chełminiak (asker) Sep 1, 2011:
Lowering the tone... @Charles: Perhaps I should've added that Kureishi's novel is as funny as it is obscene...and perhaps this should be taken into account when interpreting the above mentioned passage.
Malwina Chełminiak (asker) Sep 1, 2011:
Thanks for all the comments! Charles, yours was very helpful indeed - are you sure you don't want to post your answer?
I'm not closing the question yet, will give it a couple of days, perhaps more people would like to contribute.
Charles Davis Aug 31, 2011:
Shera's contribution is very interesting. Here are another couple of indications (I don't know how reliable) of the importance of the phenomenon in Indian society. First, the key role of aunts in arranging marriages:
http://www.fortunecity.com/campus/books/845/aunt.htm

And second (sorry to lower the tone) the "aunt" or "mallu auntie" as an object of sexual desire for very young Indian men:
"Most of Indian boys in the age group of eighteen to early twenty’s are not interested in the girl’s of their age group. Surprisingly, they are interested in mallu aunties. Almost every grown-up Indian guy can tell you a story about his past time aunty. In many cases, this favorite aunty is next-door newly wedded aunty or young science or math’s teacher. In almost every guy’s story, this favorite aunty remains in fantasy and never end-up with Physical relationship.
This “aunty” attraction was first exposed in one of raj kapoor’s movie where very young school boy start falling in love with his class teacher."
http://www.articleoutpost.com/articles/464882/1/Hot-Mallu-au...
Not necessarily relevant here, of course...
Malwina Chełminiak (asker) Aug 30, 2011:
In other words, Polangmar has made a valid point. Though I think there isn't necessary any connection between aunties and elephants - it's just a bunch of stereotypes. As I said, I understand the stereotype (or connotations) connected with elephants, but not the one concerning aunties/older women.
Malwina Chełminiak (asker) Aug 30, 2011:
The point is, however, that while I understand the use of 'elephants' in the quoted passage (elephants = exotic = you don't see them in England on a daily basis), I don't understand the purpose of 'aunties' here: don't they have aunties in Britain?
Malwina Chełminiak (asker) Aug 30, 2011:
Elephant aunties ;) That's an interesting bit of information. Interestingly enough, in Poland you would call female friends of your parent 'aunties'.
Donna Stevens Aug 30, 2011:
Aunties aren't just older women In elephant herds, calves are raised by the mother with the help of 'aunties' (other females in the herd).

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(India, slang) An affectionate name for an older woman.

Peer comment(s):

agree Jack Doughty
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neutral Polangmar : Why should a young boy tell stories about older women? And what's the connection between older women and elephants?
14 mins
agree eski
23 mins
agree Shera Lyn Parpia : auntie is not necessarily affectionate: it's used because you're not supposed to call older people by their names - see ref.
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agree Sheila Wilson : I'm guessing it would linger on much longer in Indian extended family groups than in the nuclear families so many of us have nowadays
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agree Liz Dexter (was Broomfield) : Aunties in India aren't necessarily even extended family members but just older women, I believe, much like I'm auntie Liz to my friends' children. Aunties and elephants are two stereotypes therefore linked in the comment
2 hrs
agree Charles Davis
7 hrs
agree Woodstock (X)
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agree amarpaul : I believe Liz's reasoning is spot on.
13 hrs
agree Phong Le
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thanks! Also great thanks to Donna, Shera Lyn, Charles and all those who commented - this was really helpful!"
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term for British stereotype of women in large extended Indian families

Auntie and Elephants are only related because they are both stereotypes that the British often use when thinking of Indian culture. Aunties refers to the women in large, extended Indian families. Elephants are, of course, elephants. Not every Indian family is an extended family with many 'aunties'. And there are not that many elephants everywhere in India.
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Reference comments

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Reference:

Aunty /auntie

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_English

Use of the English words 'uncle' and 'aunty' as suffixes when addressing people such as distant relatives, neighbours, acquaintances, even total strangers (like shopkeepers) who are significantly older than oneself. E.g., "Hello, Swathi aunty!" In fact, in Indian culture, children or teenagers addressing their friends' parents as Mr Patel or Mrs Patel (etc.) is rare and may even be considered unacceptable or offensive (in the sense of referring to an elder person by name). A substitution of Sir/Ma'am, while common for addressing teachers/professors or any person in an official position, would be considered too formal to address parents of friends or any other unrelated (but known) elder persons. On the contrary, if the person is related, he/she will usually be addressed with the name of the relation in the vernacular Indian language, even while conversing in English.[citation needed] For example, if a woman is one's mother's sister, she would not be addressed (by a Hindi speaker) as "auntie" but as Mausi (Hindi: मौसी) (by a Kannada speaker as Chikkamma Kannada: ಅತ್ತೆ). Calling one's friends' parents aunty and uncle was also very common in Great Britain in the 1960s and 70s but is much rarer today. The terms 'Uncle' and 'Aunty' with certain intonations can also connote a derogatory reference to the advanced age of an individual.

also an interesting read - and read the comments!:
http://www.indiacurrents.com/articles/2010/01/06/please-dont...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etiquette_in_Asia
Older people are rarely referred to by first names; they are addressed with such honorifics as Mr. and Mrs. or the appropriate non-English equivalents. Sometimes terms such as "Uncle" or "Auntie" are appropriate for older non-relatives.
Peer comments on this reference comment:

agree Tony M : Yes, back in the 60s, I always used to call my parents' friends Uncle or Aunty
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agree Jennifer Levey : When I was very young (in the 1950s) I learnt to count by listing my 'aunts' and 'uncles' (aunty 1 is 'Nora', aunty 2 is 'Betty' ...) But both my parents were 'only' children. No problem - at the age of 3 I could count to 20!
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