Glossary entry (derived from question below)
English term or phrase:
auntie
English answer:
(India, slang) An affectionate name for an older woman.
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Malwina Chełminiak
Aug 30, 2011 18:43
12 yrs ago
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auntie
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My question concerns a passage from the 'The Buddha of Suburbia' by Hanif Kureishi, which mocks a stereotypical image of India that a British person might have (this is London, 1970s):
"Everyone looks at you, I'm sure, and thinks: an Indian boy, how exotic, how interesting, what stories of *aunties* and elephants we'll hear now from him. And you're from Orpington."
My question is: is the meaning of "auntie" here different from "a familiar or diminutive word for aunt" and if yes, what is it?
(Yes, I'm familiar with the chapter "Of Aunties and Elephant" in "Black British Literature" by Mark Stein, but it doesn't explain much).
I'll be very happy to read your ideas!
"Everyone looks at you, I'm sure, and thinks: an Indian boy, how exotic, how interesting, what stories of *aunties* and elephants we'll hear now from him. And you're from Orpington."
My question is: is the meaning of "auntie" here different from "a familiar or diminutive word for aunt" and if yes, what is it?
(Yes, I'm familiar with the chapter "Of Aunties and Elephant" in "Black British Literature" by Mark Stein, but it doesn't explain much).
I'll be very happy to read your ideas!
Responses
3 +9 | (India, slang) An affectionate name for an older woman. | lorenab23 |
4 | term for British stereotype of women in large extended Indian families | Donna Stevens |
References
Aunty /auntie | Shera Lyn Parpia |
Responses
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Selected
(India, slang) An affectionate name for an older woman.
Peer comment(s):
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Jack Doughty
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neutral |
Polangmar
: Why should a young boy tell stories about older women? And what's the connection between older women and elephants?
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agree |
eski
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agree |
Shera Lyn Parpia
: auntie is not necessarily affectionate: it's used because you're not supposed to call older people by their names - see ref.
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agree |
Sheila Wilson
: I'm guessing it would linger on much longer in Indian extended family groups than in the nuclear families so many of us have nowadays
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Liz Dexter (was Broomfield)
: Aunties in India aren't necessarily even extended family members but just older women, I believe, much like I'm auntie Liz to my friends' children. Aunties and elephants are two stereotypes therefore linked in the comment
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agree |
Charles Davis
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agree |
Woodstock (X)
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agree |
amarpaul
: I believe Liz's reasoning is spot on.
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agree |
Phong Le
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thanks! Also great thanks to Donna, Shera Lyn, Charles and all those who commented - this was really helpful!"
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term for British stereotype of women in large extended Indian families
Auntie and Elephants are only related because they are both stereotypes that the British often use when thinking of Indian culture. Aunties refers to the women in large, extended Indian families. Elephants are, of course, elephants. Not every Indian family is an extended family with many 'aunties'. And there are not that many elephants everywhere in India.
Reference comments
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Reference:
Aunty /auntie
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_English
Use of the English words 'uncle' and 'aunty' as suffixes when addressing people such as distant relatives, neighbours, acquaintances, even total strangers (like shopkeepers) who are significantly older than oneself. E.g., "Hello, Swathi aunty!" In fact, in Indian culture, children or teenagers addressing their friends' parents as Mr Patel or Mrs Patel (etc.) is rare and may even be considered unacceptable or offensive (in the sense of referring to an elder person by name). A substitution of Sir/Ma'am, while common for addressing teachers/professors or any person in an official position, would be considered too formal to address parents of friends or any other unrelated (but known) elder persons. On the contrary, if the person is related, he/she will usually be addressed with the name of the relation in the vernacular Indian language, even while conversing in English.[citation needed] For example, if a woman is one's mother's sister, she would not be addressed (by a Hindi speaker) as "auntie" but as Mausi (Hindi: मौसी) (by a Kannada speaker as Chikkamma Kannada: ಅತ್ತೆ). Calling one's friends' parents aunty and uncle was also very common in Great Britain in the 1960s and 70s but is much rarer today. The terms 'Uncle' and 'Aunty' with certain intonations can also connote a derogatory reference to the advanced age of an individual.
also an interesting read - and read the comments!:
http://www.indiacurrents.com/articles/2010/01/06/please-dont...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etiquette_in_Asia
Older people are rarely referred to by first names; they are addressed with such honorifics as Mr. and Mrs. or the appropriate non-English equivalents. Sometimes terms such as "Uncle" or "Auntie" are appropriate for older non-relatives.
Use of the English words 'uncle' and 'aunty' as suffixes when addressing people such as distant relatives, neighbours, acquaintances, even total strangers (like shopkeepers) who are significantly older than oneself. E.g., "Hello, Swathi aunty!" In fact, in Indian culture, children or teenagers addressing their friends' parents as Mr Patel or Mrs Patel (etc.) is rare and may even be considered unacceptable or offensive (in the sense of referring to an elder person by name). A substitution of Sir/Ma'am, while common for addressing teachers/professors or any person in an official position, would be considered too formal to address parents of friends or any other unrelated (but known) elder persons. On the contrary, if the person is related, he/she will usually be addressed with the name of the relation in the vernacular Indian language, even while conversing in English.[citation needed] For example, if a woman is one's mother's sister, she would not be addressed (by a Hindi speaker) as "auntie" but as Mausi (Hindi: मौसी) (by a Kannada speaker as Chikkamma Kannada: ಅತ್ತೆ). Calling one's friends' parents aunty and uncle was also very common in Great Britain in the 1960s and 70s but is much rarer today. The terms 'Uncle' and 'Aunty' with certain intonations can also connote a derogatory reference to the advanced age of an individual.
also an interesting read - and read the comments!:
http://www.indiacurrents.com/articles/2010/01/06/please-dont...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etiquette_in_Asia
Older people are rarely referred to by first names; they are addressed with such honorifics as Mr. and Mrs. or the appropriate non-English equivalents. Sometimes terms such as "Uncle" or "Auntie" are appropriate for older non-relatives.
Peer comments on this reference comment:
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Tony M
: Yes, back in the 60s, I always used to call my parents' friends Uncle or Aunty
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agree |
Jennifer Levey
: When I was very young (in the 1950s) I learnt to count by listing my 'aunts' and 'uncles' (aunty 1 is 'Nora', aunty 2 is 'Betty' ...) But both my parents were 'only' children. No problem - at the age of 3 I could count to 20!
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Discussion
I'm not closing the question yet, will give it a couple of days, perhaps more people would like to contribute.
http://www.fortunecity.com/campus/books/845/aunt.htm
And second (sorry to lower the tone) the "aunt" or "mallu auntie" as an object of sexual desire for very young Indian men:
"Most of Indian boys in the age group of eighteen to early twenty’s are not interested in the girl’s of their age group. Surprisingly, they are interested in mallu aunties. Almost every grown-up Indian guy can tell you a story about his past time aunty. In many cases, this favorite aunty is next-door newly wedded aunty or young science or math’s teacher. In almost every guy’s story, this favorite aunty remains in fantasy and never end-up with Physical relationship.
This “aunty” attraction was first exposed in one of raj kapoor’s movie where very young school boy start falling in love with his class teacher."
http://www.articleoutpost.com/articles/464882/1/Hot-Mallu-au...
Not necessarily relevant here, of course...