Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Spanish term or phrase:
Cultura árabe
English translation:
Moorish culture
Added to glossary by
Oriol Vives (X)
Oct 24, 2011 10:23
12 yrs ago
Spanish term
Cultura árabe
Spanish to English
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History
Classic name
I am looking for the name in classic terminology. The context is a graphic depicting how Castilian Spain is a blend of different cultures in History:
Culturas germánicas y bárbaras
Culturas clásicas y romana
Cultura árabe
My guess would be:
Germanic & barbarian Cultures
Roman & classic Cultures
Arab/Arabian/Arabic Culture
Which one is the right one, Arab, Arabian or Arabic? (I understand Arabic refers to the language mostly, but I have found many searchs on the net that refer to "Arabic Culture"). I need the usual term in History studies.
Thanks in advance!
Culturas germánicas y bárbaras
Culturas clásicas y romana
Cultura árabe
My guess would be:
Germanic & barbarian Cultures
Roman & classic Cultures
Arab/Arabian/Arabic Culture
Which one is the right one, Arab, Arabian or Arabic? (I understand Arabic refers to the language mostly, but I have found many searchs on the net that refer to "Arabic Culture"). I need the usual term in History studies.
Thanks in advance!
Proposed translations
(English)
4 +2 | Moorish culture | Carol Gullidge |
4 +6 | Arab culture | Maria Mastruzzo |
4 | Arab/arabic culture | Simon Bruni |
4 | Arabian Culture | Karen Chalmers |
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Oct 27, 2011 09:38: Oriol Vives (X) Created KOG entry
Proposed translations
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Moorish culture
or Muslim culture
Either of these is used in this context
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sorry, forgot this:
1. Medieval History of Spain
www.medieval-life.net/medieval_history_spain.htm
The early years of Moorish influence in medieval Spain were marked by infighting amongst the Muslim kingdoms. The Basques, who were traditionally fiercely ...
2. The Moorish Influence in Spain
www.scribd.com/doc/30206323/The-Moorish-Influence-in-Spain
19 Apr 2010 –
3. THE INFLUENCE OF THE MOORS IN SPAIN AND PORTUGAL
www.cwo.com/~lucumi/portugal.html
4 Nov 2000 – From that time onwards, racial mixing in Portugal, as in Spain, and elsewhere in Europe which came under the influence of Moors, took place ...
4. WHAT DID THE MOORS DO FOR US? - Culture Spain
www.culturespain.com/articles/what-did-the-moors-do-for-us/
In fact, the Moors had a profound influence not just upon Spain but the whole of Western Europe. Indeed, it has been said that they laid the foundations of the ...
5. Moorish influence in Spain - History Forum ~ All Empires - Page 1
www.allempires.com › ... › Post-Classical Middle East
28 posts - 9 authors - Last post: 18 May
Topic: Moorish influence in Spain ... Could the Rennaissance have ever happenned without the Arab/Moorish influence in Spain? I'd like to ...
6. Moorish Spain
www.andalucia-andalusia.com/Moorish-Spain.html
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7. The Moorish Legacy in Spain: From Spanish Cuisine, Music and ...
wayne-smith.suite101.com › ... › West European History › Spanish History
9 Mar 2010 – During their centuries of reign, the Moors exerted great influence on Spanish cuisine. To the traditional Iberian diet, they introduced fruits and ...
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Either of these is used in this context
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sorry, forgot this:
1. Medieval History of Spain
www.medieval-life.net/medieval_history_spain.htm
The early years of Moorish influence in medieval Spain were marked by infighting amongst the Muslim kingdoms. The Basques, who were traditionally fiercely ...
2. The Moorish Influence in Spain
www.scribd.com/doc/30206323/The-Moorish-Influence-in-Spain
19 Apr 2010 –
3. THE INFLUENCE OF THE MOORS IN SPAIN AND PORTUGAL
www.cwo.com/~lucumi/portugal.html
4 Nov 2000 – From that time onwards, racial mixing in Portugal, as in Spain, and elsewhere in Europe which came under the influence of Moors, took place ...
4. WHAT DID THE MOORS DO FOR US? - Culture Spain
www.culturespain.com/articles/what-did-the-moors-do-for-us/
In fact, the Moors had a profound influence not just upon Spain but the whole of Western Europe. Indeed, it has been said that they laid the foundations of the ...
5. Moorish influence in Spain - History Forum ~ All Empires - Page 1
www.allempires.com › ... › Post-Classical Middle East
28 posts - 9 authors - Last post: 18 May
Topic: Moorish influence in Spain ... Could the Rennaissance have ever happenned without the Arab/Moorish influence in Spain? I'd like to ...
6. Moorish Spain
www.andalucia-andalusia.com/Moorish-Spain.html
Byzantinium Art Moorish Spain Cordoba Mosque. The Influence of Byzantinium Art Clearly Visible in al-Hakim 11's Mihrab, Great Mosque of Cordoba. Detail of ...
7. The Moorish Legacy in Spain: From Spanish Cuisine, Music and ...
wayne-smith.suite101.com › ... › West European History › Spanish History
9 Mar 2010 – During their centuries of reign, the Moors exerted great influence on Spanish cuisine. To the traditional Iberian diet, they introduced fruits and ...
..
The Moorish Influence in Spainwww.scribd.com/doc/30206323/The-Moorish-Influence-in-SpainSimilar
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19 Apr 2010 – THE INFLUENCE OF THE MOORS IN SPAIN AND PORTUGALwww.cwo.com/~lucumi/portugal.htmlCached - Similar
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4 Nov 2000 – From that time onwards, racial mixing in Portugal, as in Spain, and elsewhere in Europe which came under the influence of Moors, took place ...
WHAT DID THE MOORS DO FOR US? - Culture Spainwww.culturespain.com/articles/what-did-the-moors-do-for-us/Cached
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9 Mar 2010 – During their centuries of reign, the Moors exerted great influence on Spanish cuisine. To the traditional Iberian diet, they introduced fruits and ...
Note from asker:
Thank you very much Carol: you gave me the word I was looking for! Simon gave a good point in terms of generality, but I keep thinking the common use is that one you pointed out. Thanks everyone for participating and for sharing your point of view. |
Peer comment(s):
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Kate Major Patience
: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moors Actually, "Moorish" is more specific (when it refers to Arabs it only refers to certain groups from the North of Africa) - in your lectures, then, they were referring specifically to Moorish culture, not Arabic/Arab.
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not so specific maybe, but I think you'll find that when related to culture (as opposed to just the language) that "moorish" is far more commonly used in this context, especially when talking about Spain. It was always referred to thus in our Uni lectures
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franglish
: The term I'm familiar with in the Spanish context.
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many thanks franglish! Me too!
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Rachel Fell
: esp. if "a blend of different cultures in History"
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many thanks Rachel!
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Arab culture
I would choose this one.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_culture
Arab culture refers to the culture in Arab countries of West Asia and North Africa, from Morocco to the Persian Gulf. Language, literature, gastronomy, art, architecture, music, spirituality, philosophy, mysticism (etc.) are all part of the cultural heritage of the pan-Arab world.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_culture
Arab culture refers to the culture in Arab countries of West Asia and North Africa, from Morocco to the Persian Gulf. Language, literature, gastronomy, art, architecture, music, spirituality, philosophy, mysticism (etc.) are all part of the cultural heritage of the pan-Arab world.
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Kate Major Patience
: I agree with you, since "Arabic" is more commonly used to refer to the language these days.
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Thank you very much, Kate :)
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Karen Chalmers
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Thank you very much, Karen :)
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Benjamin A Flores
: same as @Kate
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Thank you very much, Benjamin :)
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Jim Tucker (X)
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Thank you very much, Jim :)
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liz askew
: indeed, it doesn't say "los moros". This is what the author is actually saying.
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Thank you very much, Liz :)
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Christine Walsh
: I'd use this in the context: you can't get much more generic than 'Barbarian'. Fascinating discussion, though.
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Arab/arabic culture
But not Arabian, which means "of Arabia" rather than "of the Arab people".
From the Oxford English:
Arabic
■ adjective relating to the Arabs or Arabic.
From the Oxford English:
Arabic
■ adjective relating to the Arabs or Arabic.
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David Ronder
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Tks David
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Carl Stoll
: "Arabic" refers only to language, writing and literture, not to architecture, politics or warfare. See Fowler.
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That's completely untrue. See the Oxford English definition above.
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Arabian Culture
This was the preferred phrase in my university text books
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I withdraw my answer, remembered wrongly!
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I withdraw my answer, remembered wrongly!
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Kate Major Patience
: No, I don't think so - not unless you are only talking about the Arabian peninsula.
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You are right Kate :-)
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Discussion
Reflecting on the difference (if any) between Moorish and Arab(ic) culture, I would suggest that Moorish could comfortably cover religion, architecture, art, cuisine and way of life. Anything that also encompassed Mathematics or Philosophy would have to be called Arab/ic - we don't generally talk about Moorish Mathematics etc. Arab, yes. In fact, 47 Google hits v. 72,000 + for these two terms.
Moorish Culture in Spain
www.isn1.net › BOOKS
A unique study of the Moors' arrival to the Iberian peninsula in 711 until the Renaissance, examining the manner of life and the achievements in architecture, ...
WHAT DID THE MOORS DO FOR US? - Culture Spain
www.culturespain.com/articles/what-did-the-moors-do-for-us/
What did the Moors do for us? A great deal - and most of it was vital to Northern Europe. See the incredible advances the Moors brought to Europe and the ...
Toledo Christian Jewish Moorish Culture UNESCO World Heritage ...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=VET9Lw-MR3Y15 Apr 2009 - 10 min - Uploaded
Toledo Christian Jewish Moorish Culture UNESCO World Heritage Multiculture Spain EU by BK Bazhe.com. BAZHE 419 ...
@ Kate: don't forget that "Arab" was pretty derogatory not all that long ago - certainly post Shakespeare! Fortunately, we now live in more tolerant times :)
But in any case, I'd still use "Moorish conquest", "Moorish culture" and "Moorish civilisation" as they don't tend to be separated out into anything more specific like "Arab culture", "Berber culture", etc unless of course the context is really talking about such subdivisions - which would be most unusual, and doesn't appear to be the case in the Asker's context. I never heard of any Spanish architecture, art etc, being referred to as specifically "Arabic" or "Berber" and not "Moorish". I should be interested to know of any examples of this - no doubt there are some - it's just that they would be quite rare and therefore less likely - especially given the new context!
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Moro-Cookbook-Samuel-Clark/dp/009188...
London is one of the world's least racist places, in my opinion.
Sorry if I keep going a bit off-topic, it's a stimulating interesting discussion and displacement activity for me (I should be working)
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Western historians conveniently ignored the immense contribution of the brilliant and energetic Moorish civilisation in delivering Europe from mediaeval ...
LETTERS TO THE EDITOR Spain's debt to Moorish civilisation | 11th ...archive.catholicherald.co.uk/.../letters-to-the-editor-spains-debt-to-m...Cached
11 Jul 2003 – 'LETTERS TO THE EDITOR Spain's debt to Moorish civilisation' first printed in the 11th July 2003 issue of Catholic Herald Magazine.
". The same of course applies to Moorish culture
Here is a little more context that may help to solve this. Below the graphic there is a little text that goes like this:
- Romanas y clásicas: griegos, bizantinos, fenicios
- Germánicas: suevos, alanos, vándalos, godos/visigodos,...
- Árabe
And nothing more :-/
Now, Simon said that the Moorish word wouldn't apply in this context: why is that, Simon? If I may ask.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moors
I understand its correctness in the Spanish context, but I still would avoid the term if I thought it was possible - and in this case it is fully possible to avoid it with the direct translation of "Arab culture".
However, this is not one of those occasions.
As you can see, "Moors" are not limited to "Arabs" - not the same thing at all.
Our lectures were referring to the Moorish culture in general in Spain (they were Spanish History lectures). This covered culture in general, including architecture and gardens (the Alhambra, etc, etc), medicine, art, engineering, mathematics, science and a host of other things related to civilisation in general, as well as the influence on the Spanish language (eg, all the words beginning with "al", etc)