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Glossary entry

Swedish term or phrase:

filmpolitiska klimatet

English translation:

cinepolitical climate; political climate for the film industry, film industry policy

Added to glossary by Charlesp
Jun 19, 2013 08:04
10 yrs ago
Swedish term

filmpolitiska klimatet

Swedish to English Art/Literary Cinema, Film, TV, Drama
Ok. This works well in Swedish, but not so well in English.

It is clear what "filmpolitiska klimatet" means, but to translate it as "film political climate" sounds a bit odd to my ears.

Could say, the “political climate" concerning films, but that I think moves the emphasis.

Any ideas or comments?
Proposed translations (English)
2 +2 cinepolitical climate
4 film industry policy
4 -2 the climate of political cinema
3 -3 the climate for political cinema
References
political climate (for the industry)

Discussion

Anna Herbst Jun 20, 2013:
Sorry to disagree with you, Ian. Compound words written as two, as one or with a hyphen - the rules vary, but more often than not it would be hyphenated in British and Australian English and written apart in US English. Compounds written as one word are much less frequent. However, you are not the first one to write this particular word as one, Ian. Here goes:
"He can make the cinepolitical connection back to The Birth of a Nation ..." http://www.timeout.com/paris/en/film/sergeant-rutledge
and
"All that said, these are but private trifles, fancies and vanities once we look at certain cinepolitical developments. Anti-Semitism was, for me, the year’s ugly leitmotif" http://sensesofcinema.com/2011/feature-articles/2010-wold-po...

As another person with a background in film studies, I am afraid I have to disagree with you when you say that cine-political (with or without hyphen) does not bring the thought to political cinema. The effect it had on me was that political cinema was the first thought that entered my mind, and I cannot imagine I would be so different from everyone else?
Ian Giles Jun 20, 2013:
I'm afraid I disagree Anna Firstly, note the lack of hyphen in my proposed target term. I have some background in film studies and to me it does NOT bring to mind political films whatsoever - quite the opposite, which is why I suggested it. Before posting I saw the limited use in India - but it is by no means a term heavily used, and to readers outside of the niche group aware of it, it is perfectly clear.
Anna Herbst Jun 20, 2013:
Please note! It appears I have come too late with my warning... "Cine-political" is not a term made up by Ian Giles, it has existed for decades and brings the thought to political films rather than policy. It has also become a phenomenon specific to Indian cinema where film stars go into politics. I would personally be very careful about using this expression when discussing the state of Swedish film industry policy.

Proposed translations

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Selected

cinepolitical climate

It is context dependent, but I would feel fairly comfortable generating my own term for this if there wasn't a way round it or a better solution. My proposed target term doesn't appear to be used with any significant frequency, but it's fairly clear to the reader what it is referring to. The problem is the words "cinema" and "politics" is that the reader (and google) think you're talking about political films - ie a film about Margaret Thatcher - rather than something more inherent.
Example sentence:

The cinepolitical climate of time was difficult

Note from asker:
Thanks. Excellent idea. I am going to use this!
Peer comment(s):
agree Mats Wiman : Very good invention of yours!
1 hr
agree Richard Green : Correct based on the context provided, and a nice term too!
1 hr
agree rajagopalan sampatkumar
6 hrs
disagree Anna Herbst : The term exists with different meaning: Godard/.../has pursued his cine-political explorations of the image" http://film-philosophy.com/index.php/f-p/article/view/704/61... and is a phenomenon in India http://jmionline.org/film_journal/jmi_01/article_03.php
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Excellent made-up word. "Political climate for the film industry" works, well too -- but not as a term. Then there is "film industry policy,' which depending upon context, could also be appropriate. "
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2 hrs

the climate for political cinema

the climate for political cinema (films).
Peer comment(s):
disagree Mats Wiman : Misunderstood. No political films
30 mins
disagree Richard Green : The same, incorrect answer as mine. See context provided by Charles.
41 mins
disagree Anna Herbst : Nothing to do with political films
21 hrs
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1 day 30 mins

film industry policy

"Filmpolitik" is to do with government policy regarding the film industry and has nothing to do with "politisk film".
"Film industry policy" is a concept widely used in the English speaking world.
Your given sentence under Richard's answer could then translate:
"ett resultat av det allmänna filmpolitiska klimatet är att biodistributionen har blivit mer kommersiell" >>
"One result of the film industry policy in general is that the distribution of films has become more commercial"
As you can see, I have left out the word "klimatet" as I don't think it is necessary in the English version in order to achieve the same meaning as the original Swedish, and including it would make the sentence a bit unwieldy.
Example sentence:

This placing of film industry policy within the arts commitments of federal and state governments had definite effects upon the kind of actions that were possible.

Ivan Lewis MP and his team are doing a great job putting the effort in to get a coherent film industry policy.

Reference:

http://wwwmcc.murdoch.edu.au/ReadingRoom/film/AFTV.html

http://www.savethebritishfilmindustry.com/2011/06/ivan-lewis-mp-is-doing-a-great-job-as-shadow-culture-media-and-sport-secretary-and-deserve

Note from asker:
Excellent contribution. Thanks!
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10 mins

the climate of political cinema

Just a suggestion if you wanted to turn the adjective of "filmpolitisk" into a noun, which I propose as "political cinema".

I think "political cinema" fits quite well since it includes, but is not exclusive to, propaganda, including other aspects of politics as well.

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Note added at 21 mins (2013-06-19 08:26:18 GMT)
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Ahh, I see Charles. Would you be able to post a couple of example phrases in the discussion section? Then I/we can see how it is used and give you a more accurate solution.

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Note added at 1 day42 mins (2013-06-20 08:46:45 GMT)
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No problem, Charles! Wait the 24 hours and award the points to Ian. I really like his answer. I just wish that those who disagree would read the course of events in the answer to understand my thinking, but not to worry!
Reference:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_cinema

Note from asker:
Thanks Richard. But I don't think this is referring to political cinema, as interesting and important as that is. I think it is referring to the politics around film; i.e the difficulties of getting funding, distribution and screening at movie theatres.
ett resultat av det allmänna filmpolitiska klimatet är att biodistributionen har blivit mer kommersiell,
I'll close this so that there are no more disagrees. By the way, I did like X, and Z, at the time.
Peer comment(s):
disagree Mats Wiman : Misunderstood. No political films
2 hrs
Context posted after suggestion made.
disagree Anna Herbst : Nothing to do with political films
23 hrs
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Reference comments

3 hrs
Reference:

political climate (for the industry)

Sorry, out for a morning and the world keeps working! But will add this after the fact for our mutual enlightenment.
Your idea was correct -- This has to do with what subsidies (forms and amounts) the gov't provides to the industry (production and distribution). This has nothing to do with 'political cinema' and you don't need to create a word for this.
See http://www.riksdagen.se/sv/Debatter--beslut/Debatter-och-bes...
Filmpolitiska frågor (KrU2)
Hösten 2012 kom staten och aktörer inom den svenska tv- och filmbranschen överens om ett nytt filmavtal för perioden 2013-2015. I avtalet behandlas bland annat frågan om stöd till svensk film. Regeringen föreslår att avtalets parter vid inkomstbeskattning även i fortsättningen får avdrag för de avgifter och bidrag som de enligt avtalet ska betala till Svenska Filminstitutet. Riksdagen sa ja till regeringens lagförslag men med ändring av ikraftträdande- och övergångsbestämmelserna'

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Note added at 5 hrs (2013-06-19 13:55:28 GMT)
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Sure enough, I like new words too! If it works go for it!

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Note added at 1 day2 hrs (2013-06-20 10:57:27 GMT) Post-grading
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Your welcome for the info, I'll take the 'cred' and try for the points next time!
Note from asker:
Thanks Deanne. That is a really great suggestion, "political climate for the film industry" , but I like cinepolitical climate even though that is a made-up word. Thanks also for the reference; great help.
If you don't post it as an Answer, you can't get any points. But I'll give you "extra credit" for the posting and all of the information included that. Thanks a lot; that was great (and helpful).
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