Oct 8, 2013 08:19
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French term

substitué (noun)

French to English Bus/Financial Law: Contract(s)
Transport and handling T&Cs
The problem here is that nowhere can I find an "official" term translating "substitué" as a noun in legalese. "Substituted party"? "Parties which may be substituted for it"?

"Si un ou plusieurs de ces éléments de base se trouvaient modifiés après la remise de cotation au Client, y compris par les substitués et/ou cocontractants du Prestataire de façon opposable à ce dernier, les prix donnés initialement seraient modifiés dans les mêmes conditions. "

"Si les diligences précitées ne sont pas effectuées par le Client et le destinataire ou le réceptionnaire, aucune action en responsabilité ne pourra être exercée contre le Prestataire et/ou ses substitués."

"Responsabilité du fait des substitués lorsque le Prestataire agit en qualité de commissionnaire de transport
La responsabilité du Prestataire est limitée à celle encourue par ses substitués dans le cadre de l’opération qui lui est confiée. Quand les limites d’indemnisation des intermédiaires ou des substitués ne sont pas connues ou ne résultent pas de dispositions impératives ou légales, elles sont réputées identiques à celles du Prestataire, telles qu’énoncées à l’article 15.3."

Discussion

B D Finch Oct 8, 2013:
Fudge If the French really is ambiguous (as opposed to us not fully understanding it), then I agree that it is best to retain the ambiguity in the translation.
Mpoma (asker) Oct 8, 2013:
There's a point here The translation is often wrong if you don't fudge. Ambiguity occurs all the time in both languages. Sometimes you can't or shouldn't approach the client (or the intermediary) with a whole list of questions about what the precise meaning is. Thanks for the advice though, although I have been doing this for over 20 years so I've reached my own conclusions about quite a lot of things...
B D Finch Oct 8, 2013:
Not a good idea I think you need to find out which of those possibilities is meant by the French term rather than "fudging" it.
Mpoma (asker) Oct 8, 2013:
thanks Interesting. I just went and checked and in fact there are no more clues. Working on that basis I'm therefore hoping for a fudging term which can cover both meanings. Thanks though.
B D Finch Oct 8, 2013:
Proxy? step-in contractor? I don't have time to check this out, but I think that this might relate to either of the above two situations and it is essential to be sure which of them is meant as they are very different. A proxy would be appointed by the contractor, while a step-in contractor would be appointed by the client in the event of default or serious breach of contract by the contractor.

Proposed translations

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proxy agent

Usually known in French as "agent mandataire" or "agent substitué".
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3 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "I think this is the right answer... but googling produced very few results... if you could have cited some examples this would have helped even more!"
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Surrogated party

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Peer comment(s):

disagree B D Finch : Not a valid English phrase.
4 hrs
disagree AllegroTrans : not a valid English phrase
4 hrs
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substitute party

HALLEX I-3-4-4 - Social Security
ssa.gov/OP_Home/hallex/I.../I-3-4-4.html‎
The Appeals Council will not dismiss the request for review if a substitute party shows that he or she may be adversely affected by the ALJ ...
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substituted legatee

the one who has an official notarial authorisation.
see http://iate.europa.eu/iatediff/SearchByQuery.doreference:

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Note added at 4 hrs (2013-10-08 12:30:02 GMT)
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who has the power of attorney
Peer comment(s):

disagree B D Finch : That term applies to inheritance, not contracts.
23 mins
disagree AllegroTrans : There is nothing about inheritance in the ST
29 mins
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