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Dec 4, 2013 16:06
10 yrs ago
Swedish term

Samlingsförsäkring

Swedish to English Other Insurance IT Insurance Manual
Samlingsförsäkring Motor
Proposed translations (English)
4 +2 comprehensive insurance
4 +1 Group insurance
4 Paketförsäkring
4 package insurance
4 -1 multi vehicle auto insurance policy
4 -1 Fleet insurance

Discussion

Mats Wiman Dec 5, 2013:
The too little context syndrom! To little context often generates very heated discussione where many talk at cross-purposes, often unnecessarily heatedly.
Let wisdom rule and aim for a KudoZ truce. Lowers blood pressure and promotes good cooperation.
Deane Goltermann Dec 5, 2013:
@Chris! LOL! In the 'dark' forests of Tiveden half way between the east and west coasts...
Christopher Schröder Dec 5, 2013:
@Sven and Deane It's time you two got out the duelling pistols and settled it once and for all!!
Adrian MM. (X) Dec 5, 2013:
Asker @ RG Thanks for the extra info. Your question is looking more & more elaborate. Pls. try and confirm that the RAS applies to a group, fleet or pool of rally vehicles or just one, driven no doubt by a Scandinavian supremo. I can't work it out from 'delmängd av funktionella och kompletterande krav...'
Charlesp Dec 5, 2013:
looks like group insurance to me Rally Samlingsförsäkring - looks like a rally where participants sign up.
Charlesp Dec 5, 2013:
I think we all need agree that the Poster has to provide more context.
Without the context, and there surely is more here in the document, which the Askder could provide, it gives rise to this type of discussion and disagreement. There are times when such a discussion is appropriate and useful, but I don't think that is one of those cases here.
So Asker: how about posting some more details from your document!
Deane Goltermann Dec 5, 2013:
@ 'Faulty answer' Your statement is again in violation of the rule I cited below. Who's answer is 'faulty' here, and why? My reference is one of many available online for everyone interested to review and analyse as they wish.
Deane Goltermann Dec 5, 2013:
@ Sven 'private' person's vehicles When an individual wants to insure more than one actively utilised auto, that person simply includes the second auto under their regular vehicle insurance policy. There is no separate term that refers to this situation, in Sweden or the UK/US. The same applies to a private collection of vehicles or otherwise, unless a special arrangement is made. As the industry reference I cited below indicates -- this UK firm offers 'Fleet' insurance for 'Mini Fleet' up to 10 vehicles. So you statement that the term here 'may equally well concern ...' is incorrect.
Sven Petersson Dec 5, 2013:
@ Tom, "Samlingsförsäkring" may indeed concern "a company vehicle pool or fleet" but it may equally well concern a private person's vehicles e.g. a collection of veteran cars that rarely are driven + one or two frequently used cars.
Deane Goltermann Dec 5, 2013:
@Tom Thumb My reference below is a UK/Intn'l firm based in UK, so the AE - BE distinction isn't all that definite, tho they don't seem to operate in India!
Adrian MM. (X) Dec 5, 2013:
Vehicle (BE) pool or (AE) fleet vs. comprehensive Maybe the asker can provide more context as 'motor' in the singular didn't or doesn't look to me like e.g a company pool or fleet of vehicles.
Sven Petersson Dec 5, 2013:
Flera fordon SAMLADE i en försäkringspolis! "Samlingsförsäkring" innebär att flera fordon samlats i en försäkringspolis, se t.ex http://www.traktorforening.com/Forsakring_trafik_Orebro.pdf. It is totally unrelated to whether the insurance is comprehensive or not.
Mats Wiman Dec 5, 2013:
@Do pray (Sven Petersson, @Deane A linguistic explanation as to what Sven's link is meant to prove is IMHO lacking.
Deane Goltermann Dec 5, 2013:
@ 'Do pray' This kind of remark has no linguistic value or relation to the question asked or answer given. See "A peer comment must be based on linguistic evaluations of the answer." at (http://www.proz.com/siterules/kudoz_answ/3.5#3.5)

Proposed translations

+2
1 hr

comprehensive insurance

How this differs from Kaskoförsäkring > a company can take out an SK for all-risks, but not a KF.

Comprehensive vs. third-party, fire and tdheft.

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Note added at 5 hrs (2013-12-04 21:14:04 GMT)
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Literally, combined > comprehensive plus third-party elements.
Reference:

http://www.kammarkollegiet.se/forsakringsavdelningen/sakforsakring/fordonsforsakring/motorfordon

Peer comment(s):
disagree Sven Petersson : Kindly see http://www.kammarkollegiet.se/forsakringsavdelningen/sakfors... - Addendum: Do pray read your own reference! Kindly read my discussion entry above!
1 hr
But that's exactly what I've quoted and 'prayed in aid' of my own answer! You must have read the quote carefully & not have been shooting from the hip.//Well, let's have your own suggestion: 1. combined 2. package 3. part-comprehensive 4. something else
agree Anna Herbst : Reading your ref. I recognise my Australian comprehensive car insurance as the Kasko/samling.
7 hrs
Many thanks.
agree Deane Goltermann : Comparing the definition provided here with several definitions of 'comprehensive auto insurance' (UK and US) shows this suggestion is as good as you're going to get.
13 hrs
Many thanks.
agree Mats Wiman : In the case oaf car insurnce, Yes.
15 hrs
Tack, tack.
neutral Charlesp : I am changing it to unsure - based on the new information posted. Doesn't look like comprehensive insurance is what was meant here - though it could be. Looks more like a group insurance.
20 hrs
thanks for the agree, but a rally race suggests either one or more cars > keeping Sven's answer 'on the boil'.//OK. I understand the shift. But we still need to know rough numbers.
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11 mins

Paketförsäkring

I have one

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Note added at 17 hrs (2013-12-05 09:18:15 GMT)
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Sorry. My suggestion ought to have been 'package insurance'
Note from asker:
Could you please provide me the Translation for above word.
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17 hrs

package insurance

I was just discussing this with my insurer.

(The 'Add note' box did not accept my suggestion)

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Note added at 17 hrs (2013-12-05 09:25:12 GMT)
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The box obviously did accept it (see above)
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-1
20 hrs

multi vehicle auto insurance policy

In this context only.

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Note added at 20 hrs (2013-12-05 12:40:54 GMT)
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Please see my discussion entry above!
Peer comment(s):
disagree Deane Goltermann : Samlingsförsäkring is apparently an industry specific term with a more specific meaning in reference to group insurance. Here we have a sentence suggested to answer a term - 5 words - with no industry or other reference. Added, this is another violation!
1 hr
Why don't you do what I did; phone an insurance company? - They will tell you what it means! When you have grasped the meaning you may try to compose an answer with less than 5 words. - A correct 5 word answer is, IMHO, better than a faulty 2 word one.
neutral Charlesp : Looks like it is a "multi vehicle auto insurance policy," however one where there are different owners of the multiple vehicles.
2 hrs
That thought never entered my mind, but now, when I think about it, I must conclude that's a distinct possibility.
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-1
20 hrs
Swedish term (edited): Samlingsförsäkring (Motor)

Fleet insurance

Maybe we stand to be corrected, but in the event, you do see the term samlingsförsäkring in relation to 'group' insurance when it comes to people and their (other) things, as explained here, (even) http://www.kammarkollegiet.se/forsakringsavdelningen/personf... You can search this site for other examples of samlingsförsäkring.

But then when your are talking about 'Motor' or motor vehicles it seems you might want 'Fleet' insurance as offered on this site (http://www.qbeeurope.com/motor/fleet-insurance.asp).

Why the kammarkollegiate site seemingly misleadingly also uses 'samling' in combination kasko is, however, difficult to identify.
Peer comment(s):
disagree Sven Petersson : "Fleet insurance" is not the only form of "Samlingsförsäkring Motor", kindly see my discussion entry @Tom. To translate "Samlingsförsäkring Motor" to "Fleet insurance" is like translating "frukt" to "banana"!
35 mins
This statement has no linguistic value as you have not referenced any accepted translation theory or other information regarding the asker's question or my answer. This seems to be in violation of the Kudoz rule I referenced above. Unfortunately.
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+1
22 hrs

Group insurance

LO och Folksam har tagit fram en Samlingsförsäkring (företagsförsäkring) som skyddar vid de flesta skadesituationer.

In this case "Samlingsförsäkring" (the group insurance) covers a multitude of risks (a "polipolicy), for those eligible to subscribe to it.

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Note added at 22 hrs (2013-12-05 14:19:10 GMT)
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Here is another reference:

""
Universitetet har tecknat en samlingsförsäkring för utländska besökare ..... Swedish State Group Insurance and Personal Insurance.

http://www4.lu.se/upload/LUPDF/intsek/Handlaggning/Handboken...
Reference:

http://www.folksam.se/sap/samlingsforsakringsap

http://www.folksam.se/polopoly_fs/1.10466!/S9156.pdf

Peer comment(s):
neutral Sven Petersson : Your references hardly fit the only context, "Samlingsförsäkring Motor", supplied by the Asker.
16 mins
yea, but that was before the Asker posted the information.
agree Deane Goltermann : Like the guy says, context is king...
5 hrs
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