Glossary entry

French term or phrase:

sujet

English translation:

mount

Added to glossary by Charles Davis
Aug 23, 2016 21:41
7 yrs ago
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French term

sujet

French to English Tech/Engineering Sports / Fitness / Recreation Fairground rides
This is a highly specific term in the field of fairground rides; there are many existing entries in the KudoZ archive, but none that I have found so far that corresponds to this specific context.

It is specifically related to generic safety checks on various types of fairground rides like merry-go-rounds etc., and the term refers to the various things you can sit on / in, such as (on a roundabout) car, fire-engine, plane, helicopter, horse, other animal, spaceship, etc. — and the equivalent on other rides.

Clearly, these are not exactly 'figurines' — but does anyone know the correct technical term in this specific field? I have done quite a lot of research in the various documents available online, but so far to no avail.

I'd like to ring people in the industry for help, but my deadline is looming and time is running out, so I thought I'd see if any of my KudoZ colleagues by any chance knows this specific term?

Thanks ain advance!
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Aug 28, 2016 17:14: Charles Davis Created KOG entry

Discussion

Tony M (asker) Aug 28, 2016:
@ Nikki Thanks! There was no "extract of text" as such: it was just a list of bullet points, the items to be checked; I think the much fuller context explanation I gave was more helpful than if I had simply listed the term as it appeared.
Nikki Scott-Despaigne Aug 28, 2016:
Hi Tony,
I've been away from my computer for a couple of days. Interesting one. I had to read a couple of teims to s ee what this was about as your post does not contain any extract from the original in which the term appears! ;-)
Charles Davis Aug 26, 2016:
@Tony I'm very glad. Thanks for the suggestion, which I have taken up (but only the basis that someone should).
Tony M (asker) Aug 25, 2016:
@ Charles Thanks so much! In the end, yours was the term I used, so maybe you'd like to submit an actual answer?
Charles Davis Aug 23, 2016:
In other words, "mount" if you sit on it (even if it's shaped like a car) and "car" or "gondola" if you sit in it (even if it's shaped like an animal).
Charles Davis Aug 23, 2016:
I've also found "mounts" for carousels. There may be no one-size-fits-all term except something like Donal's "passenger-carrying unit".
Charles Davis Aug 23, 2016:
@Tony NOT my field of expertise at all, and I'm working too so I haven't got time to research this properly, but this is from the glossary of an HSE document entitled "Passenger behaviour on amusement rides: Field study report":

"Car(s)
A structure which passengers sit in (e.g. a spaceship, ladybird, elephant, section of coaster train). Gondola is also a term often used to refer to these items."
http://www.hse.gov.uk/research/rrpdf/rr579.pdf
DLyons Aug 23, 2016:
In "Fairgrounds and amusement parks: Guidance on safe practice", the HSE uses very general terms which include "passenger-carrying units", "containment systems" and "passenger restraints".

Proposed translations

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At Tony's kind invitation, and piggy-backing (if I may use the term) on Alison's typically excellent references. As I said in the discussion at the beginning, on the basis of some very hasty research (my aim being simply to provide some quick suggestions for a colleague with a deadline looming), figurative objects on which people sit in fairground rides (principally carousels and variants) do seem to be called "mounts" generically, though my first find, "car" or "gondola", are right for any such object that you sit inside, and these occur on a wider range of rides.

Alison has documented this term (and indeed the French equivalents) so fully that further references are hardly needed, but here's one more for luck:

"Fairground - Ride Mounts (Wooden)"
http://www.elephanthouseauctions.com/taggedresults.php?t=43
Note from asker:
Many thanks, Charles! I feel pretty sure this is the term I needed, not least because it opposed 'nacelles', which I have translated now by 'gondolas'. In one instance, I did use 'passenger-carrying unit', as I felt that fitted best into my text at one particular point.
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thanks, again!"
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theme cars + horses for the carousel

I worked for a big amusement park in Vienna last year
it is/was my own translation (I faced almost the same problem as yours)

+ Just an interesting arcticle:
http://www.madehow.com/Volume-4/Carousel.html
Note from asker:
Thank you, Ersébet, for your kind contribution? While I totally understand your point, in point of fact my text was talking in the most general possible terms of these 'sujets' that might appear on ANY ride / attraction; of it wasn't possible for me to use anything too specific to e.g. merry-go-rounds etc.
Peer comment(s):

agree Sheri P : "Theme" will work if Tony is looking for a term specifically to describe amusement-ride cars that look like something else in the real world (e.g., an airplane or an animal). That's how I interpret his question.
7 hrs
Thank you very much for your kind attention and support.
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gondola

I translated onece a manual for this kind of attraction, the horses were called gondolas, which I found rather odd, but this apprently professional site confirms:
http://www.zamperla.com/products/merry-go-round-deluxe/
This fairy-like ride has 18 gondolas (4 dolphins, 4 sea horse, 8 pelicans...

However the manufacturer is italian and also uses here "subjects" (an easy to be defended translation for "sujet"?:
http://www.iepark.com/th_portfolio/old-style-carousel/

and simply "animals":
http://www.iepark.com/th_portfolio/jungle-carousel/
Note from asker:
Merci beaucoup, Didier ! In fact, this proved to be a better translation for the other term I had, 'nacelles' — so thanks for that one too!
Peer comment(s):

agree philgoddard : Or cars, as Charles says.
21 mins
agree Yolanda Broad
8 hrs
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Reference comments

1 day 10 hrs
Reference:

mount

Looking at the way “sujet” is used in French and if your text relates more particularly to roundabout-style rides, I think a reasonable case can be made for Charles’ “mounts”.

Presumably the term does refer to “figures” as in the horse or animal figures/models/characters traditionally used in roundabouts and has come now also to include other types of mounts, e.g. vehicles, etc.

See here for “Sujets de manège” for sale
http://www.stockmanege.com/Sujets-occasions-cbhaaaaaa.asp

and a UK auction site for “Fairground - Ride mounts”
http://www.elephanthouseauctions.com/taggedresults.php?t=43

Chaque carrousel dispose de sujets surprenants qui peuvent s’élever dans les airs ou basculer d’avant en arrière
Les chevaux de bois figés laissent place à des sujets mouvants
Si certains manèges d’origine, datant de plusieurs dizaines d’années, ont gardé l’authenticité des chevaux de bois, ou sujets plus traditionnels, d’autres carrousels innovent et proposent des sujets divers et variés :
• Des voitures, camions, bus et autres automobiles,
• Des fusés, avions et autres sujets volants,
• Des personnages de dessins animés,
• Des buggy’s ou petites camionnettes de safari,…
http://www.fete-foraine.be/fr/dir/metier/25/carrousels

Sujets/figures au profit des manèges enfantins et train fantômes
http://www.romyrides.com/index2.aspx?id=2_2&taal=F

He became a major supplier of mounts for roundabouts built by the likes of Savage of King’s Lynn and was regarded by many as the finest showman’s carver of them all.
He produced a huge variety of animal figures for fairground roundabouts, ranging from the usual galloping horses to ostriches, bears lions, donkeys, pigs, goats and turkeys.

Within the peak period of twenty years, some 32 similar machines were either built new, rebuilt, or modified by Orton’s, while Spooner concentrated on the various vehicles and other mounts that changed as taste dictated. Once again, he showed great innovation in producing spectacular offerings like dragon cars, whales, Father Neptunes, dolphins and peacocks.

Arks came originally from Germany and were so called because of their animal-shaped mounts.
http://fairground-heritage.org.uk/learning/fairground-people...

Until cars came along humankind relied on the horse for transportation and horses have been, perhaps, the most common form of roundabout mount for the past few centuries.

The bicycle and horse were not the only things Savage bolted to a roundabout. Using boats was an obvious move and a ride called Sea-on-Land made use of replica ships that were made to rock and pitch on cranks attached to large wheels moving over a circular track beneath a revolving platform.
This idea was also applied to mounts other than boats. The so-called “platform Gallopers” of the early 1880s used this idea, replacing boats with horses – another variant used galloping cockerels.

The mounts themselves were exquisitely carved by the leading exponents of the day, men like Spooner and Anderson. And some rides weren’t satisfied just with horses, but mixed them up with cockerels, ostriches, bears, farm animals and hybrid figures that were half horse, half Cavalry officer.
http://fairground-heritage.org.uk/learning/swings-and-rounda...

In 1937 Orton & Spooner countered when they fulfilled an order (Corrigans) for an Ark with motorcycle mounts, a concept exploiting the current popularity of motorcycle speedway racing.

Meanwhile, a direct and obvious development of the Noah’s Ark lay in the fitting of movable cars to the platform in place of fixed mounts.
http://fairground-heritage.org.uk/learning/fairground-people...
Note from asker:
Thanks a lot, Alison, that's very helpful indeed, and describes exactly the right context for me.
Peer comments on this reference comment:

agree Erzsébet Czopyk
12 hrs
Thanks, Erzsébet
agree Charles Davis : Wonderful documentation, which I have shamelessly exploited at Tony's suggestion.
22 hrs
Many thanks, Charles
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