Glossary entry (derived from question below)
English term or phrase:
built-in concrete
Russian translation:
уложенный бетон
Added to glossary by
Oleg Nenashev
Jan 28, 2017 12:31
7 yrs ago
English term
built-in concrete
English to Russian
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Construction / Civil Engineering
Дорожное дело
The formwork and completed scaffold, including the temporary foundations for the scaffold, are covered by the unit rate per 1m3 built-in concrete.
The estimating unit is 1m3 built-in concrete, along with formwork and other ancillary construction.
Мой черновой перевод: "Вмонтированный бетон". Буду рада узнать Ваше мнение по поводу перевода этого словосочетания.
The estimating unit is 1m3 built-in concrete, along with formwork and other ancillary construction.
Мой черновой перевод: "Вмонтированный бетон". Буду рада узнать Ваше мнение по поводу перевода этого словосочетания.
Proposed translations
(Russian)
4 | уложенный бетон | Oleg Nenashev |
3 +1 | монолитный бетон | Lyubov Kucher |
3 +1 | использованный бетон | Enote |
4 | выполненный из бетона | Alexandra Telegina |
3 | несущий (конструктивный) бетон | Andrew Tishin |
Change log
Feb 1, 2017 16:36: Oleg Nenashev Created KOG entry
Proposed translations
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Selected
уложенный бетон
Просто "уложенный бетон".
В словарях встречается вариант "уложенный на месте бетон, бетон, уложенный на месте", но на практике такой термин не используется, ведь и так понятно, что раз уложен, то на месте, в противном случае будут уже готовые ЖБИ.
В словарях встречается вариант "уложенный на месте бетон, бетон, уложенный на месте", но на практике такой термин не используется, ведь и так понятно, что раз уложен, то на месте, в противном случае будут уже готовые ЖБИ.
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19 mins
монолитный бетон
Скорее всего, по логике, здесь речь идет о монолитном бетоне, который в английском еще встречается как "in situ concrete". Его можно заливать ("вмонтировать") куда угодно.
Peer comment(s):
agree |
Erzsébet Czopyk
: Люба, я собиралась cформулировать ответ, но так как я занята переводом, пока решила, вы ответили - и здорово http://www.ccanz.org.nz/page/In-Situ-Concrete.aspx
9 mins
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Огромное спасибо, Erzsébet!
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30 mins
несущий (конструктивный) бетон
В точности такой термин не встречал. Но, возможно, по аналогии с "built-in site" это несущий бетон, то есть, тот объем бетона, на который давит тяжесть вышележащей конструкции.
http://www.multitran.ru/c/m.exe?t=1213905_1_2&s1=built-in si...
http://www.multitran.ru/c/m.exe?t=1213905_1_2&s1=built-in si...
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24 mins
использованный бетон
имхо, здесь это в смысле "использованный при строительстве бетон". Просто отдельные расценки на опалубку и леса не применяются, т.к. эти работы предусмотрены в расценках на бетонные работы.
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concrete placement - это укладка бетона. Бетон, строго говоря, укладывают, не заливают. Причем укладывают любой бетон, и built-in concrete в том числе.
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Note added at 59 мин (2017-01-28 13:30:35 GMT)
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concrete placement - это укладка бетона. Бетон, строго говоря, укладывают, не заливают. Причем укладывают любой бетон, и built-in concrete в том числе.
Note from asker:
Я не переводила "уложенного" потому что по тексту используется словосочетание "concrete placement". А тут именно "built-in", а не "placed". Вот что меня смутило |
Peer comment(s):
neutral |
Erzsébet Czopyk
: definitely not, sorry
5 mins
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thanks. Can you give a reason why, please?
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agree |
Edgar Hermann
: по-моему чуть точней было б "за кубометр залитого бетона" или "уложенного"
14 mins
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спасибо. Да, уложенный получше будет
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13 hrs
выполненный из бетона
Можно просто «бетонный». См., например,
Within the forts people lived in round houses built in stone or wood
http://www.cpat.org.uk/educate/leaflets/houses/houses.htm
Modern Garden With Built In Concrete Garden Bench Gallery
http://www.wearefound.com/popular-and-unique-concrete-garden...
Natural Looking Built In Concrete Patio Furniture Consists Of Benches And ....
http://www.fikee.com/20116-creating-more-natural-looking-pat...
Reference comments
33 mins
Reference:
Concrete in construction
http://www.igh.hr/upload/tbl_novosti/spin_tanzania_rajzer_20...
http://www.ce.memphis.edu/1101/notes/concrete/section_2_hist...
http://www.slideshare.net/bhaddin/a-study-on-the-constructio...
What is Precast Concrete? • Cast into specific shapes at another location • Developed in the late 1960s • First use: stair treads, coping, lintels, and window sills • Known for its high quality architectural products
Manufacture • Casting beds used • High strength steel strands pretensioned • Transverese bulkhead seperators inserted • Additional reinforcement added • Concrete poured and vibrated • Cured with live steam or radiant heat
7. Slabs • The most standardised precast elements • Includes solid flat slab, hollow core slab, double tee slab, and single tee slab
What is in-situ cast concrete? • Concrete that is cast into forms on the building site • Any shape that can be formed can be cast • Certain types of concrete elements cannot be precast, and can only be cast in-situ
22. Selecting an in-situ cast concrete framing system • Are the bays of the building square or nearly square? • How long are the spans? • How heavy are the loads?
23. In-situ Concrete mix • Appropriate concrete properties designed • Appropriate mix design developed • Mixing, transporting and handling coordinated with placing and finishing
24. In-situ concrete placement • Should not be placed more rapidly than it can be spread • Deposit as near as possible to the final position • The concrete is placed in forms and consolidated
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Note added at 41 mins (2017-01-28 13:12:46 GMT)
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precast vs cast in-situ concrete
Concrete frame structures
http://www.understandconstruction.com/concrete-frame-structu...
Just because this is interesting: beton vs. concrete - how the love of a caring husband inspired the concrete construction:
The first landmark building in reinforced concrete was built by an American mechanical engineer, William E. Ward, in 1871-1875. The house stands today in Port Chester, NY. It is well-known because of the diligence with which Mr. Ward conducted all of his business, researching and documenting everything. He desired a concrete house because his wife was terribly afraid of fire and commissioned architect Robert Mook for the design in 1870. Like Coignet's buildings, it was made to resemble masonry to be socially acceptable. Mr. Ward handled all technical and construction issues himself, conducting long-term load tests and other experiments. He used the French word for concrete, beton, and in 1883 delivered a paper on the house to the American Society of Mechanical Engineers entitled "Beton in Combination with Iron As a Building Material." His audience, by definition, was far more interested in the unique water supply and heating systems, which he had designed, than in reinforced concrete.
In 1879 G. A. Wayss, a German builder, bought the patent rights to Monier's system and pioneered reinforced concrete construction in Germany and Austria, promoting the Wayss-Monier system (Collins, 1959). (Many of these buildings were built in France as well).
http://www.ce.memphis.edu/1101/notes/concrete/section_2_hist...
http://www.ce.memphis.edu/1101/notes/concrete/section_2_hist...
http://www.slideshare.net/bhaddin/a-study-on-the-constructio...
What is Precast Concrete? • Cast into specific shapes at another location • Developed in the late 1960s • First use: stair treads, coping, lintels, and window sills • Known for its high quality architectural products
Manufacture • Casting beds used • High strength steel strands pretensioned • Transverese bulkhead seperators inserted • Additional reinforcement added • Concrete poured and vibrated • Cured with live steam or radiant heat
7. Slabs • The most standardised precast elements • Includes solid flat slab, hollow core slab, double tee slab, and single tee slab
What is in-situ cast concrete? • Concrete that is cast into forms on the building site • Any shape that can be formed can be cast • Certain types of concrete elements cannot be precast, and can only be cast in-situ
22. Selecting an in-situ cast concrete framing system • Are the bays of the building square or nearly square? • How long are the spans? • How heavy are the loads?
23. In-situ Concrete mix • Appropriate concrete properties designed • Appropriate mix design developed • Mixing, transporting and handling coordinated with placing and finishing
24. In-situ concrete placement • Should not be placed more rapidly than it can be spread • Deposit as near as possible to the final position • The concrete is placed in forms and consolidated
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Note added at 41 mins (2017-01-28 13:12:46 GMT)
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precast vs cast in-situ concrete
Concrete frame structures
http://www.understandconstruction.com/concrete-frame-structu...
Just because this is interesting: beton vs. concrete - how the love of a caring husband inspired the concrete construction:
The first landmark building in reinforced concrete was built by an American mechanical engineer, William E. Ward, in 1871-1875. The house stands today in Port Chester, NY. It is well-known because of the diligence with which Mr. Ward conducted all of his business, researching and documenting everything. He desired a concrete house because his wife was terribly afraid of fire and commissioned architect Robert Mook for the design in 1870. Like Coignet's buildings, it was made to resemble masonry to be socially acceptable. Mr. Ward handled all technical and construction issues himself, conducting long-term load tests and other experiments. He used the French word for concrete, beton, and in 1883 delivered a paper on the house to the American Society of Mechanical Engineers entitled "Beton in Combination with Iron As a Building Material." His audience, by definition, was far more interested in the unique water supply and heating systems, which he had designed, than in reinforced concrete.
In 1879 G. A. Wayss, a German builder, bought the patent rights to Monier's system and pioneered reinforced concrete construction in Germany and Austria, promoting the Wayss-Monier system (Collins, 1959). (Many of these buildings were built in France as well).
http://www.ce.memphis.edu/1101/notes/concrete/section_2_hist...
18 hrs
Reference:
конструкции/готовые/завершенные формы (чего-л, часть здании и.т.д) выполненной из бетона
конструкции/готовые/завершенные формы (чего-л, часть здании и.т.д) выполненной из бетона
Discussion
Сначала внимательно прочитайте что я имел в виду, не precast concrete , а я имел в виду форма, или готовая часть здания, или напр. диван сделанный из бетона-I mean the product of the work, construction and design. not precast concrete.
Вот например здесь http://www.houzz.ru/photos/modernizm/eksteryer/hardscape--co...
Built-in Concrete & Wood Sofa and Fire Pit-Диван (софа) сделанный из бетона
Бетонные работы на стройплощадке проводятся именно с бетонной смесью, а бетон образуется уже потом. Но и у нас у бетонную смесь часто называют бетоном. Например, во многих (если не во всех) вариантах ответа в этой ветке, имхо, речь идет о бетонной смеси, а не о бетоне - укладывают ведь бетонную смесь, не бетон.
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precast concrete - это и есть уже готовые, изготовленные на заводе (железо)бетонные изделия. См. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precast_concrete
Цитата: Precast concrete is a construction product produced by casting concrete in a reusable mold or "form" which is then cured in a controlled environment, transported to the construction site and lifted into place. In contrast, standard concrete is poured into site-specific forms and cured on site.
Let's use "flower planters" as an example: we made (constructed) it in concrete to add color and texture to the exterior. Those finished planters (built-in concrete)-finished job, not the concrete itself. I mean that.
I think, here 1m3 built-in concrete=1 cubic meter of the concrete that is ready, constructed etc. (завершенный) meaning you made the form or structure or smth. else in concrete, and the unit rate for the area of the finished form that is 1m3 includes/belongs/covers the formwork and completed scaffold with other ancillary construction.
http://www.houzz.ru/photos/modernizm/eksteryer/hardscape--co...
Второй вариант? литой бетон - может не подходит как вариант?
Я только напомню, что для бетонной смеси даже существует такой термин, как Удобоукладываемость, см. ГОСТ 7473-2010, например
Не хочу встревать в дискуссию, но оба эти термина используются практически в равной мере в строительстве.
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