Glossary entry (derived from question below)
German term or phrase:
Artilleriebürger
English translation:
Citizen-Militia Artillery Officer
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Adrian MM.
Jan 31, 2020 21:11
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German term
United States
Artilleriebürger
German to English
Social Sciences
History
Occupations
This term appears in a history book that I'm translating. It's about a wealthy German family in the 1500s. I assume this is military-related, but it doesn't make sense when translated literally ("artillery citizen"). It appears to be an antiquated occupational term.
Here is the full sentence, with the family name redacted for privacy:
"Bereits für das Jahr 1517 lässt sich ein Artilleriebürger belegen, der zur Familie (redacted) gehören soll."
Any thoughts on the proper term? Thanks!
Here is the full sentence, with the family name redacted for privacy:
"Bereits für das Jahr 1517 lässt sich ein Artilleriebürger belegen, der zur Familie (redacted) gehören soll."
Any thoughts on the proper term? Thanks!
Proposed translations
(English)
| 3 | (elected City Defens/ce) Citizen-Militia Artillery Officer |
Adrian MM.
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| 4 | civilian artillery officer |
Cillie Swart
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Change log
Jan 31, 2020 21:13: Jessica Harris changed "Restriction (Pairs)" from "working" to "none"
Feb 1, 2020 05:39: writeaway changed "Field" from "Other" to "Social Sciences"
Feb 3, 2020 21:44: Adrian MM. Created KOG entry
Proposed translations
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Adrian MM.
Austria
Austria
Native in English
Austria
Retd.T&I, Barrister & Austro-Advokat
Native in: English (Variants: Scottish, British) 
Works in: Spanish to English, English to Spanish, French to English, and 5 more.
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Selected
(elected City Defens/ce) Citizen-Militia Artillery Officer
- also responsible for the Hamburg City Defenc/se and as opposed to an Admiralitätsbürger.
The term of citizen does go back that far, despite modern-day concepts of citizenship e.g. of a German or US Federal State vs. nationality of the whole of Germany or the USA.
Contrast the non-MacDonalds 'Burgher' militias of the South African Boer War/s.
The term of citizen does go back that far, despite modern-day concepts of citizenship e.g. of a German or US Federal State vs. nationality of the whole of Germany or the USA.
Contrast the non-MacDonalds 'Burgher' militias of the South African Boer War/s.
Example sentence:
Hamburg citizen militia: Because of the election of the officers by commissions close to the militia, the selection of the officer corps was separated from external influences. The duty regulations of 1814 emphasized, that the soldiers were citizens.
Ähnliches gilt für sein vorgängiges Amt bei der „Artillerie“, in dessen Zuständigkeit die *Verteidigung der Stadt* selber fiel.
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Comment: "Many thanks!"
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Cillie Swart
South Africa
South Africa
Native in English
South Africa
Finance, Legal, Business Texts
Native in: English 
Works in: German to English, Dutch to English, Afrikaans to English, and 1 more.
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4
civilian artillery officer
An artillery officer that is not part of the army.
Note from asker:
| Many thanks for your help! |
Reference comments
9 mins
Andres Larsen
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Venezuela
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Venezuela
freelance translator
Native in: English
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Reference:
Die ersten Artilleriebürger wurden 1571 gewählt, welche sür 2000 /l Pulver in Verwahrung hatten
books.google.com › books
Geschichte der Stadt Hamburg - Page 176 -
Johann Gustav Gallois - 1867 - Hamburg (Germany)
Die ersten Artilleriebürger wurden 1571 gewählt, welche sür 2000 /l Pulver in Verwahrung hatten. Die alte Wallordnung von 1565 wurde 1586 bestätigt, die ...
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Note added at 37 mins (2020-01-31 21:49:03 GMT)
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burgher or citizen militiaman in Hamburg:
books.google.com › books
A dictionary, geographical, statistical, and historical, of ...
John Ramsay M'Culloch, Frederick Martin - 1866
... magistracy, and police courts subordinate to 2 directors of police in Hamburg. ... of a burgher militia, not salaried, including all the citizens betweeu the ages of ...
en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Hamburg_Citizen_Militia
Hamburg Citizen Militia - Wikipedia
The Hamburg Citizen Militia (German: Hamburger Bürgermilitär) or Hanseatic Citizen Guard (German: Hanseatische Bürgergarde) was a citizen militia of the ...
www.jstor.org › stable
Burghers or town council: who was responsible for ... - jstor
J EIBACH - 2007 -
Burghers and other town dwellers could henceforth call upon ... militia. Towards the end of the eighteenth century, the militia served ... Sozialgeschichte einer reichsstädtischen Berufsgruppe (Hamburg, 1990), 69; Kraus, Militärwesen ,. 155.
books.google.com › books
Seventeenth-Century Europe: State, Conflict and Social Order ...
Thomas Munck - 2005 - History
... with Hamburg and Leipzig, had one of the most conservative constitutions. ... the upper citizenry and the burgher militia officers, but the lesser townsmen could ...
books.google.com › books
Patriots and Paupers: Hamburg, 1712-1830
Mary Lindemann - 1990 - Literary Criticism
Hamburg's Chamber of Commerce agreed, petitioning the Rat in 1745 for a ... the Treasury, the militia captains, the guild elders, and those who held or had once ... Hamburg's constitution excluded some Propertied Burghers from appearing in ...
Geschichte der Stadt Hamburg - Page 176 -
Johann Gustav Gallois - 1867 - Hamburg (Germany)
Die ersten Artilleriebürger wurden 1571 gewählt, welche sür 2000 /l Pulver in Verwahrung hatten. Die alte Wallordnung von 1565 wurde 1586 bestätigt, die ...
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Note added at 37 mins (2020-01-31 21:49:03 GMT)
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burgher or citizen militiaman in Hamburg:
books.google.com › books
A dictionary, geographical, statistical, and historical, of ...
John Ramsay M'Culloch, Frederick Martin - 1866
... magistracy, and police courts subordinate to 2 directors of police in Hamburg. ... of a burgher militia, not salaried, including all the citizens betweeu the ages of ...
en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Hamburg_Citizen_Militia
Hamburg Citizen Militia - Wikipedia
The Hamburg Citizen Militia (German: Hamburger Bürgermilitär) or Hanseatic Citizen Guard (German: Hanseatische Bürgergarde) was a citizen militia of the ...
www.jstor.org › stable
Burghers or town council: who was responsible for ... - jstor
J EIBACH - 2007 -
Burghers and other town dwellers could henceforth call upon ... militia. Towards the end of the eighteenth century, the militia served ... Sozialgeschichte einer reichsstädtischen Berufsgruppe (Hamburg, 1990), 69; Kraus, Militärwesen ,. 155.
books.google.com › books
Seventeenth-Century Europe: State, Conflict and Social Order ...
Thomas Munck - 2005 - History
... with Hamburg and Leipzig, had one of the most conservative constitutions. ... the upper citizenry and the burgher militia officers, but the lesser townsmen could ...
books.google.com › books
Patriots and Paupers: Hamburg, 1712-1830
Mary Lindemann - 1990 - Literary Criticism
Hamburg's Chamber of Commerce agreed, petitioning the Rat in 1745 for a ... the Treasury, the militia captains, the guild elders, and those who held or had once ... Hamburg's constitution excluded some Propertied Burghers from appearing in ...
Peer comments on this reference comment:
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writeaway
: helpful refs, (posted after 9 minutes), this one in particular: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamburg_Citizen_Militia
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Adrian MM.
: There's a close convergence of our answers, plus a tactical-voter and non-military sniper replication of my Hamburg Citizen Militia weblink.
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