Glossary entry (derived from question below)
German term or phrase:
verzeipeln
English translation:
entangled, knotted
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Mar 30, 2021 11:30
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German term
verzeipeln
German to English
Art/Literary
Poetry & Literature
Gefunden hab ich es in Siegried Lenz: So zärtlich war Suleyken, zwölfte Geschichte: Eine Kleinbahn namens Popp, wo es heißt:
„Der Tag war schön. […] und die berühmten Suleyker Schafe verzeipelten vor lauter Übermut ihre Ketten.“
The book has been translated into (US) English, but I don't have a copy...
„Der Tag war schön. […] und die berühmten Suleyker Schafe verzeipelten vor lauter Übermut ihre Ketten.“
The book has been translated into (US) English, but I don't have a copy...
Proposed translations
(English)
4 +1 | entangled, knotted | thefastshow |
4 | shed | Cillie Swart |
3 | (became) entangled (in their chains) | Michael Martin, MA |
References
Book review | Brent Sørensen |
Proposed translations
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entangled, knotted
In this excerpt it is a snake that lies entwined in its cage :"Schlaftrunken wie immer lag sie da, ihre gut siebzig Zentimeter so verwunden und verzeipelt, daß..."
https://books.google.de/books?id=ImIrvKDbWNgC&pg=PT26&lpg=PT...
In the following eloquent, slightly ironic excerpt from a book about art we find this passage: "Und diese fisslige kognitive Dissonanz zwischen Wunsch und Wirklichkeit wird sie nicht verstärkt und verzeipelt durch brennende praktische Probleme der Künste? Der Dichter, er steht vor der Frage:" Wie kann ich machen Wunder wahrscheinlich?" Nu, er muss durchschlagen den Gordischen Knoten und schreiben als sei sein Hirngespinst pure Wirklichkeit..."
https://books.google.de/books?id=jI5CXRk4u-sC&pg=PA273&lpg=P...
All the contexts given and especially the connotation of the Gordian knot in the last text tend to lead to the assumption we are talking about entangled or knotted.
If you manage to find a more original expression in a rare dialect from the country of your target audience, then, given the rare occurrence of the word in German, this could be an (even better) option too.
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// Thanks Tony. What I meant by rare is that it is very uncommon and indeed rare in todays German language. Even in the times of Lenz (the first source is also from a Lenz book) this word would be rare and its use limited to East-Prussian dialects. Since these regions and their culture don t exist any longer - most East Prussians resettled as refugees in West Germany + the GDR and by means of dissemination and assimilation lost their language and culture as they could not pass it on to their offspring, who were of course growing up far away from the magical land of the Wassermuhme and Co. There are still certain terms and phrasings that could be heard in rare circumstances, indicating there may be a fade connection of the bearer to those lost lands some ancestors once called Heimat. Anyway, while verzeipeln indicates such heritage to those in the know to the sound and feeling of the East-Prussian dialect it is a rather rare word and most people would not know what it means. Happy to have helped you on this. :)
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Note added at 3 days 10 hrs (2021-04-02 21:47:34 GMT) Post-grading
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///PPS - Post grading: Thanks Tony, well appreciated!
https://books.google.de/books?id=ImIrvKDbWNgC&pg=PT26&lpg=PT...
In the following eloquent, slightly ironic excerpt from a book about art we find this passage: "Und diese fisslige kognitive Dissonanz zwischen Wunsch und Wirklichkeit wird sie nicht verstärkt und verzeipelt durch brennende praktische Probleme der Künste? Der Dichter, er steht vor der Frage:" Wie kann ich machen Wunder wahrscheinlich?" Nu, er muss durchschlagen den Gordischen Knoten und schreiben als sei sein Hirngespinst pure Wirklichkeit..."
https://books.google.de/books?id=jI5CXRk4u-sC&pg=PA273&lpg=P...
All the contexts given and especially the connotation of the Gordian knot in the last text tend to lead to the assumption we are talking about entangled or knotted.
If you manage to find a more original expression in a rare dialect from the country of your target audience, then, given the rare occurrence of the word in German, this could be an (even better) option too.
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Note added at 7 hrs (2021-03-30 19:05:19 GMT)
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// Thanks Tony. What I meant by rare is that it is very uncommon and indeed rare in todays German language. Even in the times of Lenz (the first source is also from a Lenz book) this word would be rare and its use limited to East-Prussian dialects. Since these regions and their culture don t exist any longer - most East Prussians resettled as refugees in West Germany + the GDR and by means of dissemination and assimilation lost their language and culture as they could not pass it on to their offspring, who were of course growing up far away from the magical land of the Wassermuhme and Co. There are still certain terms and phrasings that could be heard in rare circumstances, indicating there may be a fade connection of the bearer to those lost lands some ancestors once called Heimat. Anyway, while verzeipeln indicates such heritage to those in the know to the sound and feeling of the East-Prussian dialect it is a rather rare word and most people would not know what it means. Happy to have helped you on this. :)
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Note added at 3 days 10 hrs (2021-04-02 21:47:34 GMT) Post-grading
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///PPS - Post grading: Thanks Tony, well appreciated!
Note from asker:
Thanks for the contexts! They will be added to my database. In Afrikaans (the target language here) one could choose between verstrik, vasgedraai, verknoop... from there it's a matter of thesaurising for more synonyms. But it seems from the quotes that the word is not exactly rare. |
Peer comment(s):
agree |
Anne Schulz
: "Verzwirbeln" (zwirbeln = to twist, as in a twisted fishing line) is my association with "verzeipeln" – and if the context is anything like "Suleyken", the asker will certainly need a local or outdated word for the translation!
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Comment: "Spot on!"
2 hrs
(became) entangled (in their chains)
I haven't fully reviewed the source text but my first thought is that "verzeipeln" could be related to "verzappeln" as in "sich in etwas verzappeln".
The question is, was it common practice to tether sheep over there back then?
The question is, was it common practice to tether sheep over there back then?
Note from asker:
I think the shift from verzeipeln to verzeipeln is exactly what we have here. Such shifts are not uncomnon at all. Thanks! |
8 hrs
shed
Doesn't have to be literal chains. Shed their captivity. Found their freedom. Out of sheer audacity. (vor lauter Übermut)
Note from asker:
Not convinced this is likely. Zappeln means "sich rasch und unruhig hin und her bewegen" (Wahrig, 1997), and whether the chains are real or figurative, the word does not imply escape from a bond. Nore likely, I think, they got their chains in a tangle - quite likely, if you've ever taken (or tried to take) a couple of exuberant dogs on leashes for a walk. "Unruhig hin und her bewegen" would be the understatement of the day, at least. - Of course, we still don't know why they were chained up at all; I can't recall any other reference to sheep in these stories. |
Peer comment(s):
neutral |
thefastshow
: I think philgoddard is right, the text is a little tongue in cheek. The sheep were chained together in an attempt to sabotage a new train line: Eine Kleinbahn namens Popp.
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Reference comments
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Reference:
Book review
I thought this word might have been misspelled or an OCR error. But in this review, it’s specifically mentioned as a particularly interesting word.
http://www.eckhard-ullrich.de/alte-sachen/1496-siegfried-len...
Da gibt es solche köstlichen Wörter wie „verzeipelten“ und „abpesern“
http://www.eckhard-ullrich.de/alte-sachen/1496-siegfried-len...
Da gibt es solche köstlichen Wörter wie „verzeipelten“ und „abpesern“
Discussion
I think they may be chained up because they're part of a protest, blocking an unwanted new railway line (hence "Kleinbahn"):
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/Suleyken
Suleyken is the village where the stories are set.