Glossary entry

English term or phrase:

trotted bedpans

English answer:

ran back and forth with the other patients bedpans

Added to glossary by S.J
Jun 12, 2021 17:51
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English term

trotted bedpans

English Other General / Conversation / Greetings / Letters trotted bedpans
I landed in a charity ward surrounded by other big bellies and trotted bedpans until my time came.

The sentence is taken from Predestination movie. The speaker is pregnant and sitting in a ward full of pregnant women. Does she mean real bedpan? (Which I don't think so) or something else?

Thanks in advance,

Discussion

S.J (asker) Jun 15, 2021:
Thank you all. it seems that you did great research and you already knew the subject.
Katalin Horváth McClure Jun 15, 2021:
@Yvonne Gallagher You bring up an interesting point about intransitive vs. transitive verbs, and suggest that "trot" is intransitive, i.e. cannot take a direct object. Well, what about the verb "run"? "Walk"? They can be both transitive and intransitive, see: https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/us/definition/ame...
"15. [transitive] run something + adv./prep. to move something in a particular direction
She ran her fingers nervously through her hair. I ran my eyes over the page."
When someone runs bedpans it means he/she takes them to the patient, and when finished, takes it away to empty/clean it. See this quote from "Beneath the Silk" by Wendy Rosnau. Jack talks about his ill father: "My mother opened Caponelli's to support us, and while she was at work I took care of him. I ran bedpans, gave him insulin injections … cooked. Wiped his nose, and the other end, too. There were days at a time when I lived at the hospital. I used to hate it so much that…"
https://readfrom.net/wendy-rosnau/page,15,191930-beneath_the...
I think "trotted" is used instead of "ran" to describe her movement that was perhaps slower, clumsier than "ran" - expected when someone is pregnant.
David Hollywood Jun 15, 2021:
Katalin is right IMO
Katalin Horváth McClure Jun 15, 2021:
Althea Draper wrote it first Althea, would you mind posting it as an answer?
Jessica Noyes Jun 14, 2021:
With Katalin I agree whole-heartedly with Katalin, and hope she will post it as an answer, so I can "agree" with it.
Katalin Horváth McClure Jun 14, 2021:
carried other patients' bedpans I fully agree with Althea's answer. This person had nowhere to go, so she was allowed to stay at this charity ward (a hospital wing or a separate institution for poor people) in exchange for her help. "trotted" used here as a verb (trot) in past tense, not as an adjective. In other words, the sentence means this: "I landed in a charity ward surrounded by other big bellies and [I] trotted bedpans until my time came." i.e: I was surrounded... and I trotted...
The incorrect parsing of the sentence, where "trotted" is interpreted as an adjective would be this: "I landed in a charity ward surrounded by [other big bellies and trotted bedpans] until my time came.". i.e. surrounded by other big bellies, and also surrounded by trotted bedpans.
Althea Draper Jun 13, 2021:
In George Orwell's 'How The Poor Die', he describes his experiences in a non-paying, charity patient in a Parisian hospital in 1929. In it, he tells of some of the patients carrying out work which we would expect nurses to do - "It was generally patients, too, who carried the bed-bottles and the grim bed-pan". So, I thought it might be that in this story, she ran back and forth with the bedpans of her fellow patients who were unable to do so themselves.

The line you give us is from a short story, 'All you Zombies-" written in 1959 by Robert A. Heinlein. The film 'Predestination' is based on the story, and lifts some of the narrative from it. It was set in (what was then the future) New York City 1970. The person speaking here, tells of being kicked out by the family where she was a mother's helper when she discovered that she was pregnant, and the orphanage where she grew up wouldn't take her back either. From what I can see, her pregnancy wasn't full term at that point, but she ended up in the charity ward of the hospital. So I reckon she was there to help out until she was full term as a way of having somewhere to live until she gave birth.
philgoddard Jun 13, 2021:
I don't understand why this sentence comes up as an example in all these dictionaries. Is this an actual translation you're doing, or something else?
I think there's something wrong with it - perhaps a typo or some words missing. It makes no sense to me.

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English term (edited): trotted bedpans
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ran back and forth with the other patients bedpans

The line you give us is from a short story, 'All you Zombies-" written in 1959 by Robert A. Heinlein. The film 'Predestination' is based on the story, and lifts some of the narrative from it. It was set in (what was then the future) New York City 1970. The person speaking here tells of being kicked out by the family where she was a mother's helper when she discovered that she was pregnant, and the orphanage where she grew up wouldn't take her back either. From what I can see, her pregnancy wasn't full term at that point, but she ended up in the charity ward of the hospital and I reckon she was there to help out until she was full term as a way of having somewhere to live until she gave birth.

In George Orwell's 'How The Poor Die', he describes his experiences in a non-paying, charity patient in a Parisian hospital in 1929. In it, he tells of some of the patients carrying out work which we would expect nurses to do - "It was generally patients, too, who carried the bed-bottles and the grim bed-pan". Some of the 'malingerers' helped out with some of the nurses duties so that they could justify staying for longer than they needed too. So, I thought it might be that in this story, she ran back and forth with the bedpans of her fellow patients who were unable to do so themselves (as a way of earning her keep until she was full term).

In 'Stranger In A Strange Land' by Robert Heinlein, the character who was once a nurse says of herself,
"I am not sure where I will be, or whether I will remember that I was once Jill Boardman who was happy trotting bedpans and equally happy strutting her stuff ...". So, I think this backs up my theory that it means that she's running back and forth with bedpans.
https://archive.org/stream/StrangerInAStrangeLandRobertAHein...

According to Merriam Webster dictionary, trotting is the "jogging gait of a human that falls between a walk and a run", and on the trot means "busy all the time".

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'Quiet Warriors' by Blake E. Edwards also contains the term "trotting bedpans" in the sense of running to and fro to empty and return patients bedpans -
"As most of my patients are ambulant, I am relieved of trotting bedpans, water, food etc., but the "chow cart," emptying the garbage, paper waste and two hours of drill and class keep me busy most of the day, besides keeping the ward clean"
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=neSNAAAAQBAJ&pg=PA90&lpg... (page 90)

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Further examples of trotting water in a book and academic studies.

In 'A Land to Call Home' by Lauraine Snelling -
"They assigned Penny to trot water to the workers and two of the younger girls to oversee the small children"
https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/A_Land_to_Call_Home/m...

Complementing Water Supply through Rainwater Harvesting in Some Selected Villages of Sahel Savannah Ecological Zone in Borno State Northeastern Nigeria - Ishaku, Abayomi, Sahabo, Dama
"Adequate safe water supply implies that the time spent by women and children in trotting water can be used for other productive works that will improve the living standard of the households...On the distances covered to nearest water sources, it was reported that about 60% of household walk distances more than 2 km to trot water and 16% walk less than 1 km while 25% walk for 2 km to get water especially during the dry seasons. "
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/276045313_Complemen...

Water Supply Dilemma in Nigerian Rural Communities: Looking towards the Sky for an Answer -Ishaku, Majid, Ajayi, Haruna
"This situation forces households especially the women and children to spend more time walking longer distances during the dry season to trot water for domestic purposes."



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Forgot the link
https://file.scirp.org/Html/4-9401351_6993.htm
Peer comment(s):

agree Cilian O'Tuama : Very good (despite missing apostrophe :-) )
10 hrs
agree Katalin Horváth McClure
2 days 7 hrs
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full bedpans

never seen it before but "the trots" means diarrhea (common in pregnancy so makes sense)

big bellies and full bedpans

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I also looked to see if it had been translated because I thought I saw a question about it before and the translator into French ignored it completely but into Romanian translated as full bedpans

https://context.reverso.net/translation/english-romanian/tro...
https://context.reverso.net/translation/english-french/trott...
Peer comment(s):

disagree Katalin Horváth McClure : While it is true that "having the trots" means having diarrhea, I have never seen "trotted" used as an adjective describing an object covered with - ahem- the material. I think it is simply the verb (trot) in past tense, referring to what she did.
1 day 23 hrs
You "think"?? You're mixing up transitive/intransitive verbs and adjectives!! That would need to be totally rewritten as "she trotted around with bedpans". NO!! She's with other pregnant women so why do that? I see "trotted bedpans" here as a synechdoche
disagree Serhan Elmacıoğlu : I agree with Katalin
2 days 11 hrs
Linguistic reason for disagree?
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1 day 23 hrs

generally unhygienic conditions

There might have been uncleaned bedpans left lying around, or it just means generally unhygienic conditions and probably bad smell in the hospital.
Peer comment(s):

disagree Katalin Horváth McClure : "surrounded by" only refers to "other big bellies".
39 mins
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