Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
artiste plasticienne
English translation:
visual artist
Added to glossary by
Richard George Elliott
Nov 3, 2004 13:59
19 yrs ago
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French term
artiste plasticienne
Non-PRO
French to English
Art/Literary
Art, Arts & Crafts, Painting
used to describe contemporary artists
Proposed translations
(English)
4 +1 | visual artist | Richard George Elliott |
4 +2 | painter and sculptor | suezen |
5 | plastic artist | Isabel Peck |
4 +1 | exponent of the plastic arts | Robin Salmon (X) |
5 | artist | Jane Lamb-Ruiz (X) |
3 | visual artist | Monica Sandor |
Proposed translations
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5 mins
Selected
visual artist
i.e. painter, sculptor etc.
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Essentially, \'plastic artist\' and \'visual artist\' mean the same thing but \'visual artist\' is far more widely used in English.
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Note added at 47 mins (2004-11-03 14:46:13 GMT)
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Essentially, \'plastic artist\' and \'visual artist\' mean the same thing but \'visual artist\' is far more widely used in English.
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "this is the one I have used."
6 mins
plastic artist
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Until recently the term plastic artist was limited to continental Europe - in Britain, artists were still referred to by their discipline - fine artist, sculptor, set designer, etc. Now the term is universally accepted to describe artists in general.
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Until recently the term plastic artist was limited to continental Europe - in Britain, artists were still referred to by their discipline - fine artist, sculptor, set designer, etc. Now the term is universally accepted to describe artists in general.
Peer comment(s):
agree |
Diana Donzelli-Gaudet
11 mins
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agree |
Nicky Over
: I have used ‘plastic artist’ for this in several passages, although EuroDicatom does give ‘employment in the visual arts’ for ‘l'emploi des artistes plasticiens’.
43 mins
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disagree |
David Vaughn
: I can't agree. You'll notice that visual artist gets 60 times as many googles, and that the "plastic artist" googles are almost entirely translated pages. BTW, what's a "fine artist"? Note that "visual artist" is not literal, but refers to a tradition.
45 mins
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disagree |
Jane Lamb-Ruiz (X)
: no no no this is LATINATE and just isn't on...really
3 hrs
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+1
30 mins
exponent of the plastic arts
Doing a Google search of "plastic artist UK" indicated that the term is not used in UK. Any hits for "plastic artist" are referring to artists from other countries, so that is probably a literal translation from another language. For about ten years now, there have been more people in the world who speak English as a second language than as a first one. That means more literal translations into English being accepted.
Peer comment(s):
agree |
Jane Lamb-Ruiz (X)
: only with explanation....
2 hrs
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54 mins
visual artist
It sounds redundant to me, but this is the term used - see for instance the website of one such artist, Dimitri Xenakis, whose English website uses this term while the French version "artiste placticien".
It seems to be both a comprehensive term that can include painters, sculptors and others working in a variety of media, but in more restricted sense sometimes designates those who work with physical objects other than painting - eg ceramic, glass, etc.
It seems to be both a comprehensive term that can include painters, sculptors and others working in a variety of media, but in more restricted sense sometimes designates those who work with physical objects other than painting - eg ceramic, glass, etc.
Reference:
http://www.dimitri-xenakis.com/
http://www.momes.net/education/artsplastiques/artsplastiques.html
Peer comment(s):
neutral |
David Vaughn
: Richard has already given this answer, but you're right, a google search with "visual artist" and "plasticienne" gives several bilingual sites where the terms are synonyms. Note that "plasticienne" alone is enough in the art world, "artiste" is redundant.
24 mins
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Thanks!
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5 mins
painter and sculptor
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/welart
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or simply \'artist\'
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perso.wanadoo.fr/cm.mason/
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After googling on people like Damien Hirst or Tracey Emin, the word artist crops up over and over. I don\'t think we really use another term in the UK anyway
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After googling on people like Damien Hirst or Tracey Emin, the word artist crops up over and over. I don\'t think we really use another term in the UK anyway
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or simply \'artist\'
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perso.wanadoo.fr/cm.mason/
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Note added at 2 hrs 31 mins (2004-11-03 16:30:43 GMT)
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After googling on people like Damien Hirst or Tracey Emin, the word artist crops up over and over. I don\'t think we really use another term in the UK anyway
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Note added at 2 hrs 31 mins (2004-11-03 16:30:45 GMT)
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After googling on people like Damien Hirst or Tracey Emin, the word artist crops up over and over. I don\'t think we really use another term in the UK anyway
Peer comment(s):
agree |
RHELLER
: sculptor (not painter)
2 hrs
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thanks Rita ... actually thinking about it, I think artist is more correct .. see new comments
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agree |
Jane Lamb-Ruiz (X)
: Yes a sculptor and painter do works of fine arts [arts plastiques]!
3 hrs
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thanks Jane
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neutral |
David Vaughn
: Some plasticiennes are painters, some are sculptors, some are both, but some are also involved in other domains. "Artist", as I've written elsewhere, is basically accurate.
7 hrs
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Yes, I agree Vaughn. That's why I plumped for 'artist' in the end.
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3 hrs
artist
fine arts= les arts plastiques but we don't say FINE ARTIST usually in English.,..just ARTIST
- in English....no PLASTIC AND NO VISUAL....
- the visual arts are not fine arts...visual arts is graphic art and photograph which is PART OF FINE ARTS......visual arts are SUBSUMED under FINE ARTS...sometimes
- HOWEVER...a sculptor can very easily USE PLASTIC..but that does not make her a plastic artist!!
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CAREFUL WITH FINE ARTIST in English..it means the person is a GOOD ARTIST........
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FINE ARTS= ARTS PLASTIQUES
painter
sculptor
graphic artist as in illustrator and cartoonist,
engraver
print maker
photographer [often included]
mixed media artist [use of objects and paint and other things]
to name a few...
a potter, for example, is not doing FINE ART....
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Note added at 3 hrs 18 mins (2004-11-03 17:17:34 GMT)
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WHAT IS YOUR CONTEXT? The woman could be an ARTIST AND SCULPTOR or otherwise in English, we would SPECIFY...what she DOES IN FACT
- in English....no PLASTIC AND NO VISUAL....
- the visual arts are not fine arts...visual arts is graphic art and photograph which is PART OF FINE ARTS......visual arts are SUBSUMED under FINE ARTS...sometimes
- HOWEVER...a sculptor can very easily USE PLASTIC..but that does not make her a plastic artist!!
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Note added at 3 hrs 11 mins (2004-11-03 17:10:06 GMT)
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CAREFUL WITH FINE ARTIST in English..it means the person is a GOOD ARTIST........
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Note added at 3 hrs 14 mins (2004-11-03 17:13:37 GMT)
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FINE ARTS= ARTS PLASTIQUES
painter
sculptor
graphic artist as in illustrator and cartoonist,
engraver
print maker
photographer [often included]
mixed media artist [use of objects and paint and other things]
to name a few...
a potter, for example, is not doing FINE ART....
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Note added at 3 hrs 18 mins (2004-11-03 17:17:34 GMT)
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WHAT IS YOUR CONTEXT? The woman could be an ARTIST AND SCULPTOR or otherwise in English, we would SPECIFY...what she DOES IN FACT
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