Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Czech term or phrase:
mateřinec
English translation:
motherhouse (convent)
Added to glossary by
Sarka Rubkova
Mar 19, 2005 11:55
19 yrs ago
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Czech term
mateřinec
Czech to English
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existuje nějaký ofic. překlad tohoto slova?
S kostelem přímo sousedí původní mateřinec petrinů ....
Na objekt kostela navazuje jednak mateřinec kongregace ....
S kostelem přímo sousedí původní mateřinec petrinů ....
Na objekt kostela navazuje jednak mateřinec kongregace ....
Proposed translations
(English)
4 +1 | motherhouse convent | Sarka Rubkova |
5 +1 | mother convent | Zenny Sadlon |
4 -1 | headquarters | David Knowles |
4 -3 | mercy convent, monastery ( today hospital )>>> | Maria Chmelarova |
Proposed translations
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6 hrs
Czech term (edited):
mate�inec
Selected
motherhouse convent
See the below pages - they call it in this way
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Note added at 6 hrs 8 mins (2005-03-19 18:04:06 GMT)
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It the original convent where the general mother superior lives and from where all the whole order\'s province is managed
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Note added at 6 hrs 8 mins (2005-03-19 18:04:06 GMT)
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It the original convent where the general mother superior lives and from where all the whole order\'s province is managed
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Nevím jetě, zda pouiju motherhouse convent nebo pouze motherhouse, buď jak buď děkuji vem."
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5 hrs
mother convent
central cloister of a female order where novices are being prepared for their monastic life
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Note added at 2005-03-19 23:48:31 (GMT)
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It appears that indeed \'mother convent\' in English can apply to both male and female congregations. However, the Czech \'mateřinec\', according to the \'Slovnik spisovneho jazyka ceskeho\' pertains to female congregations.
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Note added at 2005-03-20 00:32:38 (GMT)
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It appears that indeed \'mother convent\' in English can apply to both male and female congregations. However, the Czech \'mateřinec\', according to the \'Slovnik spisovneho jazyka ceskeho\' pertains to female congregations.
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Note added at 2005-03-20 00:34:33 (GMT)
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\'Mother house\' is widely used by the Catholics for both male and female congregations.
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Note added at 2005-03-19 23:48:31 (GMT)
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It appears that indeed \'mother convent\' in English can apply to both male and female congregations. However, the Czech \'mateřinec\', according to the \'Slovnik spisovneho jazyka ceskeho\' pertains to female congregations.
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Note added at 2005-03-20 00:32:38 (GMT)
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It appears that indeed \'mother convent\' in English can apply to both male and female congregations. However, the Czech \'mateřinec\', according to the \'Slovnik spisovneho jazyka ceskeho\' pertains to female congregations.
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Note added at 2005-03-20 00:34:33 (GMT)
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\'Mother house\' is widely used by the Catholics for both male and female congregations.
Peer comment(s):
disagree |
Maria Chmelarova
: In Ceske B. ? , sure they did, materinec. Maybe you got wrong website.
28 mins
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Check the 'Slovnik spisovneho jazyka ceskeho'. You'll find it there too. Did they call the thing in Ceske B. 'mateřinec'?
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agree |
Radovan Pletka
: about 300 hits, but not all relevant. Motherhouse convent seems to have more accurate hits
3 hrs
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agree |
Sarka Rubkova
: thanks
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3 hrs
Czech term (edited):
mate�inec
mercy convent, monastery ( today hospital )>>>
Materince su vyclenene casti klastorov, pripadne pobocky klastorov, nove budovy pod kontrolou klastorov, v ktorych sa starali o nemocnych. Ich poslanim bolo pomoct nemocnym,opustenym, nevladnym ludom, starat sa o nich " citlivou materinskou laskou ", co bolo ich kredo "- poslanie, zmyslanie.
Jedne z mnohych prikladov je v www.nmskb.cz/kongregace; dnes nemocnica Sv. Karla Bartolomejskeho ( pri Petrine ) cela historia, ako materinec vznikol a zachranili ho pred....
dalej www.petrini.zde.cz (v Ceskych Budejoviciach ) kde sa starali o chlapcov siroty ......
na Slovensku : slov. provincia mala svoj materinec a provincialny dom www.rytier.sk
V Biskupiciach sa nachadza materinec radu milosrdnych sestier; www.civil.gov.sk/CASOPIS
Ak ich poslanim bola oddanan pomoc chorym, slovo sa neda prelozit doslovne, ale opisiom pripadne ako " mercy,charity", co asi nebude najspravnejsi preklad.
mercy - mean a disposition to show kindness or compassion - which supouse to be a primary obligation of those hospitals, take anybody, who needs a help... which is very far from the truth today....
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V turistickom sprievodcovi :Prague >>> St. George\'s Convent ...\" The first convent .... in 973 by Prince Boleslav II. ... his sister Mlada was its first abbess....
Read more:www.catholic-forum.com/saints (abbess was a mother ....)
read more: www.newadvent.org>>>Historical origin ( Mater Monasterii, Mater Monacharum, Praeposisa ) ......
Tieto texty nevysvetluju funkciu, ale pouzivaju slovo \"mater\", cim by sa dalo usudit ze pocas storoci doslo k pouzivaniu slova v prenesenom vyzname a tym aj funkcii ci poslaniu klastorov. Okrem modlitieb, vychovy novych clenov (noviciek) zacali nadobudat iny charakter.
Len osobny nazor, citanim textov.
Jedne z mnohych prikladov je v www.nmskb.cz/kongregace; dnes nemocnica Sv. Karla Bartolomejskeho ( pri Petrine ) cela historia, ako materinec vznikol a zachranili ho pred....
dalej www.petrini.zde.cz (v Ceskych Budejoviciach ) kde sa starali o chlapcov siroty ......
na Slovensku : slov. provincia mala svoj materinec a provincialny dom www.rytier.sk
V Biskupiciach sa nachadza materinec radu milosrdnych sestier; www.civil.gov.sk/CASOPIS
Ak ich poslanim bola oddanan pomoc chorym, slovo sa neda prelozit doslovne, ale opisiom pripadne ako " mercy,charity", co asi nebude najspravnejsi preklad.
mercy - mean a disposition to show kindness or compassion - which supouse to be a primary obligation of those hospitals, take anybody, who needs a help... which is very far from the truth today....
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Note added at 6 hrs 8 mins (2005-03-19 18:04:15 GMT)
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V turistickom sprievodcovi :Prague >>> St. George\'s Convent ...\" The first convent .... in 973 by Prince Boleslav II. ... his sister Mlada was its first abbess....
Read more:www.catholic-forum.com/saints (abbess was a mother ....)
read more: www.newadvent.org>>>Historical origin ( Mater Monasterii, Mater Monacharum, Praeposisa ) ......
Tieto texty nevysvetluju funkciu, ale pouzivaju slovo \"mater\", cim by sa dalo usudit ze pocas storoci doslo k pouzivaniu slova v prenesenom vyzname a tym aj funkcii ci poslaniu klastorov. Okrem modlitieb, vychovy novych clenov (noviciek) zacali nadobudat iny charakter.
Len osobny nazor, citanim textov.
Peer comment(s):
disagree |
Sarka Rubkova
: Disagree with this explanation; becuase I believe it is not correct
2 hrs
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read all of it. I do not say it has to be, why not use neutral ?
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Radovan Pletka
: explanations are nice, but the translation is definitely no go for US English, nobody would get the meaning you want to convey, which is usually your problem as non native speaker, relaying on dictionaries too much in stead of real knowledge and guts
6 hrs
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Agree with the first part of your input. Relaying on dictionaries too much, where did you get that idea? Having a nightmares from dictionaries?
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disagree |
Irena
: you need to consider the use of the English word +reliable native Eng references
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Thanks, anyway.
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2 hrs
Czech term (edited):
mateøinec
headquarters
See this quote from my ref.
Kongregace je papeského práva, to znamená, e je přímo podřízena Svatému Otci. Mateřinec kongregace, neboli místo, kde sídlí generální představená s generální radou, byl v Bartolomějské ulici v Praze 1.
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Note added at 2 hrs 42 mins (2005-03-19 14:38:31 GMT)
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Possibly \"mother church\" (see http://dict.die.net/mother church/), but I\'m not at all sure. Maybe some synonym of \"headquarters\", such as \"centre of operations\".
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Note added at 1 day 4 hrs 48 mins (2005-03-20 16:44:23 GMT)
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Reviewing these answers, and doing a bit more searching, I\'m sure the best option is simply \"mother house\".
Kongregace je papeského práva, to znamená, e je přímo podřízena Svatému Otci. Mateřinec kongregace, neboli místo, kde sídlí generální představená s generální radou, byl v Bartolomějské ulici v Praze 1.
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Note added at 2 hrs 42 mins (2005-03-19 14:38:31 GMT)
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Possibly \"mother church\" (see http://dict.die.net/mother church/), but I\'m not at all sure. Maybe some synonym of \"headquarters\", such as \"centre of operations\".
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Note added at 1 day 4 hrs 48 mins (2005-03-20 16:44:23 GMT)
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Reviewing these answers, and doing a bit more searching, I\'m sure the best option is simply \"mother house\".
Reference:
Peer comment(s):
disagree |
Maria Chmelarova
: with headquarters, rest is for conversation, some option...
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