Feb 24, 2011 15:29
13 yrs ago
Czech term

exerciční dům

Czech to English Other Religion actually hard to categorize
regards Stojanov (Velehrad), sentence:
Byl zde postaven poutní a exerciční dům, první v České republice.
I notice there are a few around the republic, what are they, are we zapping demons, running in place, what?
thanks!

Discussion

Scott Evan Andrews (asker) Mar 1, 2011:


Thanks for all your help and a really healthy debate.., This one to me "feels" the best in English, i.e. closest contemporary equivalent, where readers will most likely know what's going on ...here's one example from my home state (http://www.findthedivine.com/states/states_pa.html) I just want the readers to quickly understand, this is a brochure of sacral structures around the Zlin Region, and while spiritual "exercises" might be technically more correct at least from an historical linguistic perspective, for the average reader this might indeed be confusing. Cheers Lenka.
Barry Appleby Feb 24, 2011:
Both retreat house and spiritual retreat house throw up Google references so these two terms appear to be bona fide English-language equivalents
Lenka Mandryszová Feb 24, 2011:
I have also found the following link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retreat_(spiritual)
Radana_K Feb 24, 2011:
Actually, now I see that Wikipedia uses the general term "retreat house", as suggested by Jan/Lenka...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiritual_Exercises_of_Ignatius...
Scott Evan Andrews (asker) Feb 24, 2011:
I've made myself misunderstood, I was joking in the original statement, they're not LINGUISTICALLY related, obviously...my second statement was that just maybe, technically, they may have dabbled in exorcism if needed, if little Vaclav was behaving uncontrollably...obviously this is not a house of exorcism :) please y'all...
Radana_K Feb 24, 2011:
Fully agree with Tomas - this one has directly nothing to do with exorcism.
On the other hand, "retreat" (rekolekce) is quite close to "exercises" (exercicie) with a very slight difference: exercises usually stick more or less to Ignatius´s outline, while retreat is a bit more general term...
Scott - Well whatever Ignatius came up with, it was certainly not related to exorcism. I fail to see how, just because both exercises and exorcism is "official" for Catholicism, it should mean it is closely related? :)
Scott Evan Andrews (asker) Feb 24, 2011:
wow lots of answers .....
@ Tomas: just because it's Let's be Picky Thursday, I would only mention that such a house may have certainly seen exorcisms, as it is a part of Catholicism too: http://www.trosch.org/chu/exorcism.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_exorcists#List_of_Catho...
How could one have relaxed if convinced he were possessed? I'm curious...but actually just wasting time.
Lenka Mandryszová Feb 24, 2011:
OK then, I like humour of any kind :-))
Scott Evan Andrews (asker) Feb 24, 2011:
thanks Lenka, I threw that in for comic relief :).
Lenka Mandryszová Feb 24, 2011:
Be careful about the origin of the word, this is not exorcism, but spiritual exercise.

Proposed translations

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spiritual retreat house

Combination of "spiritual" and "retreat" is more explicit than the first option I suggested.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retreat_(spiritual)


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http://marriageretreats.webs.com/apps/links/

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Thank you :-)
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retreat house

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house of spiritual exercises

http://www.google.cz/search?hl=cs&safe=active&client=firefox...

It is a house, usually near-by a church or a cloister, where the pilgrims are accommodated and take a few days / a week off and contemplate / concentrate on their spiritual life (guided by a priest).
It is a normal Catholic custom, nothing daemonic.

http://svata-hora.cz/cz/13/exercicni-dum
Peer comment(s):

agree Maria Chmelarova
31 mins
Díky, Maria!
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6 mins

facilities/house serving for Spiritual Exercises of Ignatius of Loyola

exercicie

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while inserting this answer, I didn't see Tomas's answer inserted just before me - he is right :-)
Peer comment(s):

agree Maria Chmelarova
30 mins
Diky! :-)
neutral Tomas Mosler, DipTrans IoLET MCIL MITI : I think the link to Ignatius doesn't have to be emphasized, it seems to be older than him - http://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exercicie
1 hr
actually true - finally, I think that a more general term would sound better here...
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house of spiritual practice/discipline

It is just that I see "practice" or even "discipline" use very frequently, certainly more frequently than "exercise"
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