Nov 26, 2020 12:39
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English term

pulled

English Art/Literary Poetry & Literature Modern American detective novel set in 1702
A wagon is pulling a bull or a bull is pulling a wagon?
"Matthew stepped aside to get out of the way of a passing wagon that pulled a buff-colored bull to market."
Or is it some kind of humor?
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Discussion

Daryo Nov 28, 2020:
Good point of method
Tony M Nov 28, 2020:
@ Daryo The only useful thing is perhaps what it does NOT say!
In the olden days, livestock were often 'driven' to market — hence a 'drover'
'Pulling' suggests more that they were led — so that could indeed be 'tethered to a moving cart'; or my own suggestion of 'conveyed in a cart drawn by some other animal'.
It would be nice, of course, to know what the cart was used for on the return journey (provisions, perhaps?) — it would seem silly to take an empty cart to market and back again just to lead a bull; but maybe they had other things to sell / buy?
Daryo Nov 28, 2020:
Not much help from the rest of the text Mister Slaughter Part ONE: The Monster's Tooth Chapter Three
https://novel122.com/mister-slaughter/part-one-the-monster03...

The only useful context is the year 1702 and Wall Street, New York.

What would have been the usual way to take a bull to the market in 1702 passing along the Wall street in New York?

There are some elements of black humour / irony in the rest of the text, but not in this quoted part.


Britta Norris Nov 26, 2020:
Could the wagon be pulling the bull to the market to be sold, i.e. the bull does not want to go and is being trailed behind?

Responses

+6
12 mins
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the bull is being pulled

A bull is tethered to the wagon. Traditional means of transporting the livestock.
Peer comment(s):

agree Tony M : Yes, also a possibility.
6 mins
agree Sheila Wilson
42 mins
agree Sarah Lewis-Morgan : In this part of the world is is also quite common to put an animal in a sort of cage which is towed behind a vehicle while the animal walks.
2 hrs
agree Tina Vonhof (X)
2 hrs
agree Clauwolf
4 hrs
agree Britta Norris
20 hrs
neutral Yvonne Gallagher : seems like a strange use of "pull" if the bull is trotting along behind a wagon? ON Nassau St NYC? Highly unlikely to have a bull like that in a city?
2 days 4 hrs
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18 mins

something (an ox / a draught horse) was pulling the cart containing the bull

If you just want to take an animal to market, normally, you might expect to drive it on its own four feet; so if it is put into a cart, it is probably so it arrives in better condition, possibly also avoid its losing weight on the journey. Note that if it is a prize bull, you might not want to risk having it loose on the road, since it could become difficult to control if it got excited.
Note that the more docile oxen are used for draught purposes; you would never use a bull for that!

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Note added at 19 hrs (2020-11-27 08:08:36 GMT)
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Asker, it definitely does NOT mean that 'the bull was pulling the waggon' — the EN syntax would be grammatically quite wrong for that.
The only doubt, due to the slightly odd expression used, is if the bull was IN the wggon or being pulled along behind it. I favour the former interpretation, simply because of the use of the verb 'to pull'; if the bull were merely being 'towed' behind the waggon, I wouldn't expect to use that verb, which to me somehow seems to suggest he was being dragged along — both unlikely and improbable!
Peer comment(s):

agree Daryo : I think this makes more sense.
13 hrs
Thanks, Daryo! I feel it is guided by the use of the verb 'to pull'... but it remains slightly ambiguous
agree Yvonne Gallagher : I agree that "pull" does not imply a bull being tethered to a wagon, but rather that it is IN the wagon being pulled in NYC!//surely "pull" is quite simply wrong verb with " bull"?mule & cart mentioned earlier//pull> haul= transport IN a cart or lorry
2 days 3 hrs
Thanks, Yvonne! I agree, although they were still driving cattle through the streets of Paris to Les Halles in... 1974!!! / Tend to agree with the odd use of 'pull', but cf. its quite common usage for 'haul', which with 'haulier' implies cart / Exactly!
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