Nov 1, 2020 16:44
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French term

Fonds propres de la collectivité

French to English Bus/Financial Finance (general)
Translating a call for tender for an architectural project:

13.2 Délais d'exécution
Planning prévisionnel :
Phase Etudes : 11 mois maximum (délais d’exécution + validation pouvoir adjudicateur)
Phase Travaux : 6 mois maximum (période de préparation comprise)
Le délai d'exécution des prestations par mission figure au CCAP.
13.4 Modalités de financement
Fonds propres de la collectivité.

Are we really going to be talking about equity here? It's public money

"Collective equity" sounds rubbish
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Discussion

Lisa Rosengard Nov 5, 2020:
Equity is about fairness and equality, yet concerning town councils and public entities, a shareholders capital or 'own funds' 'at stake is the issue. Equity could be the justice or adjudication of funding allocation, since the source information raises the issue of finance methods in relation to an architectural project. A public fund or an entity's own capital is separate from other forms of ownership, as there appears to be no real entitlement.
L'équité traite de la justice et l'égalité, cependant, en ce qui concerne les municipalités et les entités publiques, des fonds propres en jeu et en cause sont le thème. L'équité peut être de la justice et de l'adjudication de l'attribution des fonds, puisque l'information première met le thème de la modalité de financement quant à un projet de l'architecture. Des fonds publics sont séparés des autres types de titularité (la propriété ou la possession) comme il paraít qu'il n'y a pas de titularité.
Francois Boye Nov 2, 2020:
Il s'agit des fonds propres au gouvernement, aux institutions publiques et aux municipalités

Les fonds publics constituent le critère de base qui reflète la compétence fonctionnelle dans une société et le signe illustratif de la détermination des citoyens à unir leurs efforts pour se construire une vie meilleure.

C'est aussi l'outil principal qui a permis l'émergence des sociétés et le garant de leur développement, de leur prospérité et de leur stabilité.

Les fonds publics: Il s'agit des fonds propres au gouvernement, aux institutions publiques et aux municipalités. Ils comprennent les fonds monétaires et les propriétés réelles appartenant aux différents organismes dont la fin est l'utilité publique et le moyen est le pouvoir public ou qui sont alimentés par des aides ou des contributions du gouvernement quelle que soit la qualité des personnes qui en ont la charge.

Proposed translations

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Municipality's own funds

or "local council" or whatever level of government is referred to elsewhere in the document
Peer comment(s):

agree philgoddard : As opposed to borrowing, presumably.
4 hrs
Thanks Philgoddard
agree AllegroTrans : Yes, "whatever level of government"
4 hrs
Thanks AllegroTrans
disagree Francois Boye : which own funds? // 'own funds' is not the English for 'fonds propres'. Why? Because 'fonds propres' is an accounting concept.
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Fonds propres
agree Eliza Hall : Yes. Municipality works as the general term. Would probably be "local authority" in the UK. And @François Boye, "own funds" means ses fonds à elle, as opposed to borrowed funds etc.
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agree Steve Robbie
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Thanks Steve
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Community's own funds

To my best understanding, this isn't a technical term. "Fonds propres de la collectivité" is the source of funding.
Peer comment(s):

neutral Thomas Miles : Maybe 'local authority' instead of 'community' to avoid interpretation as a grass-roots fundraising effort?
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neutral writeaway : any refs to back so much confidence?
16 mins
disagree Francois Boye : which own funds?//own funds' is not the English for 'fonds propres'. Why? Because 'fonds propres' is an accounting concept.
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neutral Eliza Hall : In EN "community" has a more general, social meaning with no legal existence (it's not a legal entity). The legal entity representing a community is a municipality, local authority, etc. (there are various terms depending on country/state).
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neutral AllegroTrans : No the right term here and too easily misunderstood; agree with Eliza
5 days
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the equity in municipalities/public entities

The definition of equity in public entities is available on pages 6 and 7 of the following attachment:

https://www.economie.gouv.fr/files/files/directions_services...

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Il s'agit des fonds propres au gouvernement, aux institutions publiques et aux municipalités

Les fonds publics constituent le critère de base qui reflète la compétence fonctionnelle dans une société et le signe illustratif de la détermination des citoyens à unir leurs efforts pour se construire une vie meilleure.

C'est aussi l'outil principal qui a permis l'émergence des sociétés et le garant de leur développement, de leur prospérité et de leur stabilité.

Les fonds publics: Il s'agit des fonds propres au gouvernement, aux institutions publiques et aux municipalités. Ils comprennent les fonds monétaires et les propriétés réelles appartenant aux différents organismes dont la fin est l'utilité publique et le moyen est le pouvoir public ou qui sont alimentés par des aides ou des contributions du gouvernement quelle que soit la qualité des personnes qui en ont la charge.

Peer comment(s):

disagree AllegroTrans : "Equity" doesn't work here as it is about ownership. A municipality isn't owned, it's a public entity of local government, and as for "Anglo-saxon view" please get it: the Anglo-saxons were an amalgam of 6th-7th century tribes, long dead
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Incorrect in French accounting! Please read the attachment! //your conception of a concept should not prevail over the way the French administration defines it. THis is basic intelllectual honesty!
disagree Eliza Hall : A municipality can't be owned; there's no equity in it. Even if it could, that wouldn't be a way to finance an architectural project.
13 hrs
Incorrect in French accounting! Please read the attachment!
disagree SafeTex : Equity is the shareholders' stakes in assets in a company. That simple does not work for a municipality
13 hrs
This is an Anglo-saxon view that is not French. Please read my attachment in French (you live in France, don't you?).
disagree Steve Robbie : This is a translation into English, so the English-speaking view is what matters. Same applies re "Anglo-Saxon".
1 day 10 hrs
The translator must understand what he/she translates. He should read French sources before translating a French comcept.
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funds owned by the community

shareholders accounts



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Time is delayed in the process of waiting for work to be completed, with phase studies of an 11 month maximum time period. Validation from a contracting authority is anticipated following a 6 month maximum time period of a phase of work, including preparation. Services provided per assignment are explained in a table with finance methods.


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In an explanation given:

"Public funds are comprised of basic criteria which reflect functional competence in a society along with the notable signs of people's combined efforts to pave the way for future improvements. It's also the main tool which allowed emerging communities to have a guarantee of future development work towards stability and general well-being. Public funds are with respect to funds owned by the government, public institutions and town councils. They include funds and real property belonging to different organizations, with public utility purposes and the means to help enable people in receipt of local authority (government) subsidies and provisions."

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"Des fonds publics se basent sur des critéria qui reflettent la compétence fonctionnelle dedans une société avec les efforts notables des gens pour créer un future meilleur. Les fonds sont aussi l'utile meilleur qui a permis les communautés d'avoir de l'assurance envers le développement de la stabilité et le bien-être de l'avenir. Les fonds publics respettent les fonds propres du gouvernement, des institutions publiques et les municipalités. Ils incluent des fonds et de la propiété réelle qui appartiennent à des organisations avec les fins et les objectifs de l'utilité publique avec les moyens d'aider des gens à pouvoir recevoir de l'assistance financière (des subsidés et des provisions) des localités municipales (des autorités locales)."

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Maintenant j'imagine que de l'argent qui était propre d'un groupe de personnes est arrivé chez quelques-uns d'un endroit public. D'autrement, ça peut vouloir dire qu'un groupe paie de l'argent à une organization ou à une municipalité pour lever des fonds qui servent une collectivité, comme les gens d'une ville. Comme ça quelques-uns lèvent de l'argent à être un fond pour aider les travaux et les efforts à faveur du bien-être des gens d'une voisinité. Quant à l'équité, il y a des étapes envers l'égalité économique parmi la même voisinité et comme ça il y aura plus de la stabilité du bien-être et la santé de l'avenir de la même ville.

I now believe that the money which once belonged to a group of people was paid to an organization. In other words, some people pay money to an organization or municipality (town council) to raise funds which serve a community such as people from the same town. The money is paid to help raise funds to pay for work efforts in favour of the well-being and health among the same neighbourhood. With respect to equity there are steps taken towards an economic balance within the same neighbourhood. The future of the same town should have more stability of well being and health in the future.
Peer comment(s):

neutral AllegroTrans : This is not the right term here and is too easily misunderstood. It's about a local government entity (city, town etc.). Do you ever read other people's answers and ask yourself whether they may be correct?
4 days
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