Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
jouissance paisible
English translation:
peaceful enjoyment
Added to glossary by
Jeremy Smith
Mar 17, 2020 11:51
4 yrs ago
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French term
United Kingdom
Sensible solutions
Native in: English (Variant: Wessexois) 
Works in: French to English, English, English to French
jouissance paisible
French to English
Law/Patents
Law: Patents, Trademarks, Copyright
Rights agreement relating to photographs
Yes, I know we've had this and similar before, but I am raising it again because I'm not 100% satisfied with previous answers.
I'm very uncertain as to whether "quiet enjoyment" is the right term for the use of media; doesn't it relate only to the occupation of premises?
Serious suggestions please, no guesswork by people unfamiliar with this kind of text.
TIA
Here is the sentence:
XXX garantissent à YYY la jouissance paisible des droits cédés gracieusement sur les photographies dans le cadre de la présente convention.
I'm very uncertain as to whether "quiet enjoyment" is the right term for the use of media; doesn't it relate only to the occupation of premises?
Serious suggestions please, no guesswork by people unfamiliar with this kind of text.
TIA
Here is the sentence:
XXX garantissent à YYY la jouissance paisible des droits cédés gracieusement sur les photographies dans le cadre de la présente convention.
Proposed translations
(English)
| 3 +4 | peaceful enjoyment |
Jeremy Smith
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| 5 -1 | peaceful possession; lawful possession |
Corinne Rubin
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| 4 -1 | lawful exercise (of the rights...) |
Corinne Rubin
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Change log
Mar 20, 2020 17:10: Jeremy Smith Created KOG entry
Proposed translations
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Jeremy Smith
United Kingdom
United Kingdom
Native in English
United Kingdom
The last word in language
Native in: English (Variants: British, UK)
Works in: French to English, Spanish to English
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peaceful enjoyment
This suggestion is essentially the same as your own, but this is the only translation I have seen in legal texts. Although it mainly relates to property/real estate, it is also used in reference to possessions. I did also just find "unfettered enjoyment", but I feel that overreaches what is meant here.
Note from asker:
| thank you! |
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
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20 hrs
Corinne Rubin
Switzerland
Switzerland
Native in French
&
English
Specializes in field
Switzerland
MA in Translation, 20 yrs w UN agencies
Native in: English (Variants: British, UK, US, Canadian) 
, French
Works in: French to English, Spanish to English, Italian to English
peaceful possession; lawful possession
for "jouissance paisible et utile",
from the Council of Europe French-English Legal Dictionary
by F. H. S. Bridge, Council of Europe
from the Council of Europe French-English Legal Dictionary
by F. H. S. Bridge, Council of Europe
Peer comment(s):
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Daryo
: CL5 for 2 different translations that are NOT synonyms? Which one is supposed to be the right one for this ST??
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I was simply providing a reference to help GUIDE the translator, from a reliable source.
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Corinne Rubin
Switzerland
Switzerland
Native in French
&
English
Specializes in field
Switzerland
MA in Translation, 20 yrs w UN agencies
Native in: English (Variants: British, UK, US, Canadian) , French
Works in: French to English, Spanish to English, Italian to English
lawful exercise (of the rights...)
Oh, this seems the most fitting, in the context of rights
I did a search for "jouissance paisible" and "lawful * rights" and found an example citing copyright law. Then I google searched "lawful exercise of rights" to peruse the hits...
I did a search for "jouissance paisible" and "lawful * rights" and found an example citing copyright law. Then I google searched "lawful exercise of rights" to peruse the hits...
Peer comment(s):
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Eliza Hall
: This is a different concept. Jeremy's translation is the correct one for the legal concept in question.
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agreed!
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