Nov 19, 2019 10:59
4 yrs ago
French term
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entre certaines mains
French to English
Art/Literary
Philosophy
From a book chapter on Cudworth, Locke, and Spinoza :
"Mais le danger de ce dualisme est mis en évidence par les avatars du cartésianisme ***entre certaines mains*** : ils s’en tiennent à la conception physique du monde et se passent de l’hypothèse inutile d’un Dieu premier moteur spirituel.
"Mais le danger de ce dualisme est mis en évidence par les avatars du cartésianisme ***entre certaines mains*** : ils s’en tiennent à la conception physique du monde et se passent de l’hypothèse inutile d’un Dieu premier moteur spirituel.
Proposed translations
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| 3 +3 | certain manifestations/expositions of | mistreatment by some |
Wolf Draeger
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| 2 +1 | some currents of |
Marco Solinas
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References
| In certain hands |
Carol Gullidge
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Proposed translations
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36 mins
Wolf Draeger
South Africa
South Africa
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South Africa
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8
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certain manifestations/expositions of | mistreatment by some
I take en certaines mains to be a metaphor for certain philosophers or critics with a particular take on Descarte's ideas and theories. Perhaps the writer has already named or referred to them?
The tone of the sentence suggests the writer disapproves of what s/he perceives as a misrepresentation of or inconsistent take on Cartesianism, so if the text before and after this sentence warrants it, and if you're feeling daring, you could opt for a more direct wording like "mishandling of" or "mistreatment of".
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Note added at 5 hrs (2019-11-19 16:39:09 GMT)
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For the 2nd option, if "mistreatment" or "mishandling" comes across too strong, you could just say "treatment" or "handling" and still keep the hands metaphor.
The tone of the sentence suggests the writer disapproves of what s/he perceives as a misrepresentation of or inconsistent take on Cartesianism, so if the text before and after this sentence warrants it, and if you're feeling daring, you could opt for a more direct wording like "mishandling of" or "mistreatment of".
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Note added at 5 hrs (2019-11-19 16:39:09 GMT)
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For the 2nd option, if "mistreatment" or "mishandling" comes across too strong, you could just say "treatment" or "handling" and still keep the hands metaphor.
Example sentence:
But the danger of this dualism comes through in certain manifestations of Cartesianism that hold to a material conception of the world and dispense with the useless notion of a God as primary spiritual driver.
But the danger of this dualism comes through in the mistreatment of Cartesianism by some who stick to a material conception of the world and discard the useless notion of a God as primary spiritual driver.
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thank you! I like your reasoning and personally prefer non-literal translations."
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26 mins
Marco Solinas
Native in English
Accurate, professional translations
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, Italian
Works in: Italian to English, French to English
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4
some currents of
I think they mean "...by the avatars of some currents (representatives) of cartesianism: ..."
Reference comments
1 day 1 hr
Carol Gullidge
United Kingdom
United Kingdom
Native in English
Works in field
United Kingdom
poetically precise prose with... panache
Native in: English 
Works in: French to English, Spanish to English, English
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4
Reference:
In certain hands
I see no reason why the direct translation should automatically be excluded here! Here are just a few examples of its use in similar contexts:
Base and Superstructure in Marxist Cultural Theory
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by R Williams - 1973 - Cited by 1555 - Related articles
... of a definite and fixed spatial relationship, constitutes, at least in certain hands, a very specialized and at times unacceptable -ersion of the other proposition.
...
The Dustbin of History - Page 141 - Google Books Result
https://books.google.co.uk › books
Greil Marcus - 1995 - History
But a good deal is at issue: the question of how, in certain times, in certain hands, images of possibility or negation that can speak beyond their time are left ...
....
Page:The Economic Journal Volume 1.djvu/61 - Wikisource ...
https://en.wikisource.org › wiki › Page:The_Economic_Journal_Volume_1.d...
30 Aug 2018 - Leisure, like any other means of good, is in certain hands always pervertible into an equally potent means of destruction, and the eight hours ...
Art review: Perry Hoberman | Art and design | The Guardian
https://www.theguardian.com › artanddesign › sep › art.artsfeatures2
23 Sep 2001 - In certain hands, though, the futility itself becomes perverse fun. Perry Hoberman is a neo-dada nerd, an appliance-of-science artist who ...
...
Culture and Politics in Early Stuart England
https://books.google.co.uk › books
Kevin Sharpe, Peter Lake - 1993 - Social Science
Yet at the same time, in certain circumstances and in certain hands, they could all be used to produce powerful critiques of royal policy.28 This was true of ...
Base and Superstructure in Marxist Cultural Theory
search.proquest.com › openview
by R Williams - 1973 - Cited by 1555 - Related articles
... of a definite and fixed spatial relationship, constitutes, at least in certain hands, a very specialized and at times unacceptable -ersion of the other proposition.
...
The Dustbin of History - Page 141 - Google Books Result
https://books.google.co.uk › books
Greil Marcus - 1995 - History
But a good deal is at issue: the question of how, in certain times, in certain hands, images of possibility or negation that can speak beyond their time are left ...
....
Page:The Economic Journal Volume 1.djvu/61 - Wikisource ...
https://en.wikisource.org › wiki › Page:The_Economic_Journal_Volume_1.d...
30 Aug 2018 - Leisure, like any other means of good, is in certain hands always pervertible into an equally potent means of destruction, and the eight hours ...
Art review: Perry Hoberman | Art and design | The Guardian
https://www.theguardian.com › artanddesign › sep › art.artsfeatures2
23 Sep 2001 - In certain hands, though, the futility itself becomes perverse fun. Perry Hoberman is a neo-dada nerd, an appliance-of-science artist who ...
...
Culture and Politics in Early Stuart England
https://books.google.co.uk › books
Kevin Sharpe, Peter Lake - 1993 - Social Science
Yet at the same time, in certain circumstances and in certain hands, they could all be used to produce powerful critiques of royal policy.28 This was true of ...
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: I have not read the references but agree with Carol that "in the hands of" is fine and there is no reason to change it
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