Oct 15, 2005 02:38
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Russian term
Canada
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Native in: Russian 
Works in: English to Russian, Russian, Russian to English
соседи (по коммунальной квартире)
Russian to English
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Как бы вы их назвали, уважаемые коллеги? Apartment mates or neighbours?
Спасибо.
Спасибо.
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Yuri Geifman
Canada
Canada
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neighbors
I think that "mates" implies some degree of choice as to who lives next to you. Relations between neigbors in the soviet-era "communal apartments" were usually strained to openly hostile, at least in my experience. I actually grew up in one of these apartments and the people living next door were anything but any sort of "mates". Maybe communal apartment neighbors or co-residents might fit.
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Alexandra Tussing
: good point...
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thanks Alexandra
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Olga B
: I have the same experience, and, by the way, in former Leningrad
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thanks Olga
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Anneta Vysotskaya
: Юрий! а как тогда насчет classmates? но насчет соседей не возражаю:-)
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classmates and inmates may not have much of a choice, but there is a sense of a shared situation, which is not present in an apartment
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Elena Ivaniushina
: not sure that "mates" implies "some degree of choice". What about "inmates"?
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good point Alya... I guess I didn't express my idea very well, it's just a feeling that I tried to verbalize
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Alexander Demyanov
: roommates (when it means apartment mates rather than students sharing a dorm room) does imply choice
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thanks Alex
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Blithe
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thanks Blithe
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Большое спасибо всем, а особенно Вам, Юрий. Ваше объяснение помогло развеять смутные сомнения, терзавшие меня по поводу употребления mates в данном контексте. "
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Talyb Samedov
Canada
Canada
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Canada
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Works in: English to Russian, Russian to English, Azerbaijani to English, and 3 more.
Russian term (edited):
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roommates
Это, правда, не обязательно относится к коммунальной квартире.
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Anneta Vysotskaya
: Это когда соседи по комнате
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Simon Gregory
: Practically I know when roommates have own bedrooms and shared barhroom and living room/ kitchen. This definition easy to catch for Americans, but necessary to underline mandatory character sharing the dwelling.
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Alexandra Tussing
: Anneta, это не по комнате... Это на самом деле люди, проживающие в одной квартире. Например, снимающие её совместно...
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Vladimir Dubisskiy
: not 'mates' in this context. 'mates' works for "общежитие"
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Tatiana Nero (X)
: обычно roommate живут не в одной комнате, а просто именно в одной квартире, общими являются только кухня-гостиная-ванная и т.д., но не спальня.
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Anneta Vysotskaya
Native in Russian
Works in field
Whatever you do, do it with all heart
Native in: Russian
Works in: English to Russian, Russian to English
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flatmates
вроде самый близкий вариант, а коммуналка чисто советская реальность
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Vladimir Dubisskiy
: only if they rent it together and share the cost. Like young people, say, rent 2 brdm apartment and live there - two girls and two boys but they are not close at all, just "flatmates". It is "kommunalka" a la Canada (in my example)
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Согласна по поводу значения слова flatmates, но я и указала, что это все же не совсем точный перевод, только близкий, так как люди делят одну квартиру
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Stephen Rifkind
: If clearly sharing an apartment, flatmates
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Спасибо!
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Sergei Tumanov
: официально говоря они ее не делят САМИ. это все равно как люди живущие в рядном доме *двухэтажном на всю улицу* делят этот дом.
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см. мой ответ Владимиру
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Olga B
: with Vladimir and Sergei, Anneta, I did not say it is wrong, it is just not exact. Sorry smth. happened with Russian: I can't type in Russian.
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см. мой ответ Владимиру
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Russian term (edited):
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neighbours (in a shared apartment)
Type of Accommodation Shared apartment with 5 rooms. - www.cbs.dk/.../accommodation/exchange_students/ menu/shared_apartments/shared_apartments_amaliegade
Поскольку это реалия совковая, то лучше употребить не очень привычное для глаза слово с уточнением, что квартира shared ...
Поскольку это реалия совковая, то лучше употребить не очень привычное для глаза слово с уточнением, что квартира shared ...
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Alexandra Tussing
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Vladimir Dubisskiy
: neighbours. - no matter how :-)
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Hasmik Serjanyan
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Sergei Tumanov
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Andrey Belousov (X)
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Alexander Demyanov
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Simon Gregory
: It is closest definition as matter of fact, but when I tried to explain it for American students, usually they asked 3 additional questions, and the word "roomate" is easier to catch--1-additional question.
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Thank you. Term "neighbours" suggests people of different origin, age, education, social rank etc. Mates find each other just because they have something in common: same univer, same job... IMHO
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Blithe
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Jennifer Guernsey
United States
United States
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United States
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Works in: Russian to English
Russian term (edited):
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Apartment mates (in a communal apartment)
There seems to be no perfect answer. Neighbors, apartment mates, roommates are all used. "Neighbors" implies not living in the same place, so I find it confusing to refer to neighbors in a communal apartment--but this construction is used. I also agree that "mates" most often implies some choice in living together--but this is also used. I lean towards "apartment mates" (US) or Anneta's "flatmates" (UK) - but I think that's more my personal preference than anything else.
I have always heard коммуналки referred to as "communal apartments" (and you'll find a zillion hits for that on Google).
I have always heard коммуналки referred to as "communal apartments" (and you'll find a zillion hits for that on Google).
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Olga B
: Communal apartmet - yes, but not mates
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Tsogt Gombosuren
: Neighbo(u)rs in a communal apartment.
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Vladimir Dubisskiy
United States
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Russian term (edited):
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cohabitants
этот термин имеет разные толкования и чтения в зависимости от применения, однако, по-моему, может и тут подойти...
Census 1990The housing census includes private dwellings (flats/apartments) where at least one person ... Cohabiting couples - cohabitants See couples in section 4.1. ...
www.rhd.uit.no/census/ft1990.html - 60k - Cached - Similar pages
Arbiter Online - Contracts for cohabitants... Contracts for cohabitants Dr. Decateur Reed Legal Columnist October 27, 2003 ... Chuck shared an apartment off campus, but his roommate was getting married and ...
www.arbiteronline.com/vnews/ display.v/ART/2003/10/27/3f9c8dfcb3406
Census 1990The housing census includes private dwellings (flats/apartments) where at least one person ... Cohabiting couples - cohabitants See couples in section 4.1. ...
www.rhd.uit.no/census/ft1990.html - 60k - Cached - Similar pages
Arbiter Online - Contracts for cohabitants... Contracts for cohabitants Dr. Decateur Reed Legal Columnist October 27, 2003 ... Chuck shared an apartment off campus, but his roommate was getting married and ...
www.arbiteronline.com/vnews/ display.v/ART/2003/10/27/3f9c8dfcb3406
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Anil Bansal
: I think this is most appropriate because it is not necessary that always you have some degree of choice to share the apartment with some body. Sometimes you are forced to share the aprtment with some one and then it implies only cohabitants
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Olga B
: I think as you mentioned yourself it has ''разные толкования и чтения'' , the same way as in Russian ''сожитель, сожительница'', and the implied connotation is not the one needed here
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Russian term (edited):
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neighbours in a communal flat/apartment
This is how BAbby Lingvo defines "коммунальная квартира" and this is the way my american coleagues helped me to explain this notion when I first came to Israel.
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Anneta Vysotskaya
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Thank you, Anneta
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Aleksandr Okunev (X)
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Thank you, Aleksandr
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Tsogt Gombosuren
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Thank you, Tsogt
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