Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
l’orfèvrerie
English translation:
smithing/gold and silversmithing
Added to glossary by
Hermien Desaivre
Nov 30, 2008 09:44
15 yrs ago
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French term
l’orfèvrerie
French to English
Art/Literary
Art, Arts & Crafts, Painting
Medieval religious artifacts
I know that this means gold- and silversmiths but I cannot seem to find one word that would fit in here. It concerns the production of objects of precious metal for religious use in the Middle Ages.
Smithies?
"Au cours de l’époque médiévale l’accumulation de ces objets en métaux précieux contribue au développement de l’orfèvrerie et du travail du métal et à l’enrichissement de l’Eglise"
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Minnie
Smithies?
"Au cours de l’époque médiévale l’accumulation de ces objets en métaux précieux contribue au développement de l’orfèvrerie et du travail du métal et à l’enrichissement de l’Eglise"
Thanks
Minnie
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Wikipedia - Goldsmith | Claire Chapman |
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smithing/gold and silversmithing
In this case, "orfèverie" is a verb, not a noun, so "plate" is probably not correct.
In English the verb is "to smith" or "smithing", "goldsmithing", "silversmithing" etc.
In English the verb is "to smith" or "smithing", "goldsmithing", "silversmithing" etc.
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Sheila Wilson
: I think that "smithing" is the best word to use here
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Claire Chapman
: According to Wikipedia, goldsmithing on its own should be adequate. However, one could also add silversmithing :-)
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Sandra Mouton
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Jessica Agullo (X)
: yes
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Christopher Crockett
: Normally, I'd just use "metalwork[ing]" (which is understood to be in precious metals), but to avoid repetition in a literal trans. of a redundant text, here I'd say "the developement of gold/silversmithing and metalwork..."
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Comment: "Thank you - I was partial to precious metal working too, but in teh end have to go with this one. Thanks very much to you all."
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work of goldsmiths
No generic noun corresponding to "goldsmith" seems to exist so I suggest this paraphrase
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precious metal working
Hi Minnie,
Here, I might be inclined to tighten things up and use something like "the development of precious metal working" to cover l’orfèvrerie et du travail du métal, since gold and silversmithing can be considered precious metal work.
Material Analysis in Archaeology
Moulds and Other Ceramic Material: A Key to Celtic Precious Metal Working, In: G . Morteani. and J. P. Northover (eds.), Prehistoric Gold in Europe: Mines, ...
www.springerlink.com/index/R3500287474416N7.pdf - Similar pages
by R Gebhard - 2003 - Cited by 2 - Related articles - All 5 versions
Here, I might be inclined to tighten things up and use something like "the development of precious metal working" to cover l’orfèvrerie et du travail du métal, since gold and silversmithing can be considered precious metal work.
Material Analysis in Archaeology
Moulds and Other Ceramic Material: A Key to Celtic Precious Metal Working, In: G . Morteani. and J. P. Northover (eds.), Prehistoric Gold in Europe: Mines, ...
www.springerlink.com/index/R3500287474416N7.pdf - Similar pages
by R Gebhard - 2003 - Cited by 2 - Related articles - All 5 versions
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This does fit in very well; I have some more questions (this being edit phase) so I'll close all these questions only tomorrow pm after handing in the work. Thank you all. |
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ormiston
: exactly what I had in mind - perhaps + a hyphen? Precious-Metal Working HND HNC courses: Precious Metal Working HND ... - [ Traduire cette page ]Find Precious Metal Working HND HNC courses UK, Precious Metal Working HND HNC courses, with student
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thanks ormiston
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Plate
orfèvrerie
français
anglais
orfèvrerie n. f.
plate
Du GDT de Quebec.
Définition :
Terme général souvent utilisé pour désigner des vases ou des ustensiles en argent ou en or.
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metalsmithing
not at all uncommon - your people undoubtedly also work lesser metals - soldering jewels etc
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the art of metal working/working with precious metals
If you include a reference to art, this implies fine metal work, not the kind of metalworking that eg farriers or blacksmiths do. You could expand it to'the art of working precious metals' if you want to.
Example sentence:
The Arabs made further advances in the art of working precious metals.
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goldsmith's trade / craft
It might help if you use trade or craft following by metal-working.
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goldsmithing and other kinds of metalwork
Just another version, but it covers both aspects mentioned in text
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jewelry and silversmithing
The usual term for art college departments offering the equivalent modern training for the medieval craftsmen, rather than goldsmithing.
lots of linking of these two terms on any search engine.
it's certainly a difficult one to translate, but given you've already reference to precious metals and metal working, I think you can justify introducing the term jewelry as a more generic overall term. (the Crown Jewels in London are certainly more than necklaces and earrings!).
hope this helps - in a long and varied career I attended art school for a time!
the Crown Jewels would certainly be considered examples
lots of linking of these two terms on any search engine.
it's certainly a difficult one to translate, but given you've already reference to precious metals and metal working, I think you can justify introducing the term jewelry as a more generic overall term. (the Crown Jewels in London are certainly more than necklaces and earrings!).
hope this helps - in a long and varied career I attended art school for a time!
the Crown Jewels would certainly be considered examples
Reference comments
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Reference:
Wikipedia - Goldsmith
A goldsmith is a metalworker who specializes in working with **gold and other precious metals,** usually in modern times to make jewelry. Historically goldsmiths have also made flatware, platters, goblets, decorative and serviceable utensils, and ceremonial or religious items, but the rising prices of precious metals have curtailed the making of such items to a large degree. Goldsmiths must be skilled in forming metal through filing, soldering, sawing, forging, casting, and polishing metal. Traditionally, these skills had been passed along through apprenticeships, however, more recently Jewelry Arts Schools specializing solely in teaching goldsmithing and a multitude of skills falling under the jewelry arts umbrella are available. Many universities and junior colleges also offer ***goldsmithing, silversmithing** and metal arts fabrication as a part of their fine arts curriculum.
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Thanks Claire - I have no idea how I missed this Wiki hit... ! |
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