AlisaIWW Sep 6, 2009:

As I see it - a building in itself, even without the קרקע it's on, still qualifies as מקרקעין! No it does not: the Hebrew root doesn't throw us off, it helps clarify. A building without the land is נִכְסֵ דְּלָא נָיְדֵי (=real estate). In any case, this is regarding the source wording. The English 'real estate/property' doesn't present the same limitation that the Hebrew root does, so strictly speaking my translation does seem to be redundant. However, in reality people use this redundancy all the time (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q="mortgage on real prope... with 'estate' instead of 'property' slightly more often (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q="mortgage on real estat... and much less often with 'real estate property' (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q="real estate property m... Case closed?:-)<br>

Ron Armon Sep 6, 2009:

Perhaps, but I'm still not sure - התפלפלות אחרונה :-)

מקרקעין is a general name for the land and anything attached to it (not removable).
המונח מקרקעין מוגדר בחוק המקרקעין כדלקמן: "מקרקעין" - קרקע, כל הבנוי והנטוע עליה וכל דבר אחר המחובר אליה חיבור של קבע, זולת מחוברים הניתנים להפרדה".

As I see it - a building in itself, even without the קרקע it's on, still qualifies as מקרקעין!

The Hebrew root ק.ר.ק.ע just throws us off -
Easier to say that a house is נכס דלא-ניידי - a real estate/real property, than to call it מקרקעין, but these are really synonyms.

AlisaIWW Sep 6, 2009:

Still, come to think of it: a mortgage can be taken on a house/apartment itself, not including the land on which it is built. This means that 'mortgage on real estate/property' is not necessarily redandant, and could depend on the context.

AlisaIWW Sep 6, 2009:

So - if it goes without saying...It can really go without saying...

Heh, I guess it can:-)

ההבדל בין 'קרקע' ו'מקרקעין' הוא בדברים שיכולים להיות בנוים על הקרקע

Ron Armon Sep 6, 2009:

# קרקע = "land".

# מקרקעין refers to קרקע ומחוברים = "real estate"/"real property"

see:
http://landtax.co.il/Lexicon/lexiconH.html

Ron Armon Sep 6, 2009:

Lingo is right (so are the fox and Alisa, but...) Lingo is right (so are the fox and Alisa too, but Lingo's version is the most common).<br>
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If you're looking for the simplest way - even "motgage" alone will suffice!<br>
"Property", and specifically "Real-estate property" is a given when it comes to mortgage (that's mortgage by definition)<br>
So - if it goes without saying...<br>
It can really go without saying... :-)<br>
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הגדרתה הבנקאית של המשכנתא היא "הלוואה לצורך רכישת "*נכס מקרקעין*"
http://www.משכנתא-משכנתאות.com/mortgage-terms.html
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Mortgage - legal definition:<br>
1. A grant of a security interest in *real property* to secure a loan, often for the purchase of the *property*. <br>
2. A loan secured by an interest in *real property*. <br>
http://www.yourdictionary.com/law/mortgage<br>
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The word "land" you thought about is too specific.
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Note that in general מקרקעין should NOT be translated as "land"!<br>
(unless context is very specific)<br>
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מקרקעין is not the same as קרקע!<br>
# קרקע = "land".<br>
# מקרקעין refers to קרקע ומחוברים = "real estate"/"real