Sep 11, 2019 21:13
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Spanish term
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Spanish and Arabic into English, MA
Native in: English (Variants: British, UK)
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no vencible
Spanish to English
Medical
Medical (general)
Autopsy report
Hi all,
I came across this term in an autopsy report in the "exámen externo" section:
"La rigidez es completa y se encuentra en fase no vencible".
I'd be grateful if you could offer any suggestions!
The report was issued in Spain and is for a UK audience.
Thanks for your help!
Nisah
I came across this term in an autopsy report in the "exámen externo" section:
"La rigidez es completa y se encuentra en fase no vencible".
I'd be grateful if you could offer any suggestions!
The report was issued in Spain and is for a UK audience.
Thanks for your help!
Nisah
Proposed translations
(English)
| 3 | complete rigor / rigor is complete |
Chema Nieto Castañón
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| 4 | fully developed |
liz askew
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| 4 | [the rigor present] cannot be broken |
Roberto Amparán
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| 3 | cataleptic rigidity |
José Patrício
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Proposed translations
2 days 16 hrs
Chema Nieto Castañón
Spain
Spain
Native in Spanish
Specializes in field
Spain
Psychologist & Emergency Physician
Native in: Spanish (Variant: Standard-Spain) 
Works in: English to Spanish
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Spanish term (edited):
fase no vencible
Selected
complete rigor / rigor is complete
La rigidez es completa y se encuentra en fase no vencible
El problema del original es la especificación de sentido de su primera y segunda parte. Si con rigidez completa se refiriese a la fase, que en inglés se alude como complete (stage of complete or full rigor), la segunda parte en castellano sería redundante. Por otro lado, esta segunda parte (fase no vencible) es una forma muy poco habitual de referirse en castellano a la fase de estado del rigor mortis o de máxima intensidad de la rigidez, donde "la rigidez es imposible de vencer sin llegar a desgarrar o fracturar las extremidades del cadáver".
Así, "la rigidez es completa", parece aludir a que la rigidez interesa al cuerpo entero y no únicamente a algunas partes de éste (entire body rigid), y "en fase no vencible" a que la rigidez se encuentra en su fase de máxima expresión (complete rigor -a stage of complete rigor).
Diría así, por ejemplo,
Entire body rigid, complete rigor
Entire body rigid, rigor is complete
... sin tratar de encontrar una expresión que traslade literalmente la idea de "rigidez no vencible" -que en cualquier caso podría plantearse como peak rigidity. En todo caso, en alusión a la fase del rigor mortis de máxima rigidez o rigidez "no vencible", creo que complete rigor (también a veces expresado como full rigor) resulta lo más ajustado al caso.
Rigor mortis: instauración, estado y resolución
2ª Fase- Estado: Al finalizar la primera fase comienza aquella que se conoce como estado, llega a durar unas 12 horas y en este punto la rigidez es imposible de vencer sin llegar a desgarrar o fracturar las extremidades del cadáver.
https://www.google.es/amp/s/tanatosformacion.com/rigor-morti...
rigor mortis
Onset (instauración), complete (estado), passing/dissappearance (resolución)
The Stages of Rigor Mortis
According to the Medicolegal Death Investigators Training Manual, there are six stages of rigor mortis in humans. Their stages are:
Absent
Minimal
Moderate
Advanced
Complete
Passed
If you're working as a medicolegal death investigator, these stages would be combined when completing examinations. The four combines stages used in the field are:
Absent
Present (minimal, moderate)
Complete (advanced, complete)
Passed
https://study.com/academy/lesson/rigor-mortis-definition-tim...
Usually, perceived stiffness in motion of a joint is “mild ”, difficulty requiring force to move a joint is “moderate” , and having to use great force is “complete” rigor
https://www.google.es/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://i...
The body will be in complete rigor in 10-12 hours and remain stiff for another 24-36 hours at the same environmental temperature.
https://www.flandershealth.us/postmortem-interval/anthropoph...
12 HRS: – Rigor complete – peak rigor exhibited – entire body is rigid. https://www.google.es/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://...
It then becomes noticeable in the larger muscle groups such as the elbows, knees, and neck. It becomes fully fixed in six to 12 hours. After the fully fixed stage, it will work its way out of the body in the same order,
http://www.evidencemagazine.com/index.php?option=com_content...
complete rigor mortis
https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/4213687/carter-v-ins-c...
Rigor mortis begins in the muscles of the jaw and neck and proceeds downwards in the body to the trunk and extremities and complete within 6 to 12 hours.
https://www.google.es/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://...
12 hours: rigor is complete and throughout the entire body
https://www.google.es/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://w...
El problema del original es la especificación de sentido de su primera y segunda parte. Si con rigidez completa se refiriese a la fase, que en inglés se alude como complete (stage of complete or full rigor), la segunda parte en castellano sería redundante. Por otro lado, esta segunda parte (fase no vencible) es una forma muy poco habitual de referirse en castellano a la fase de estado del rigor mortis o de máxima intensidad de la rigidez, donde "la rigidez es imposible de vencer sin llegar a desgarrar o fracturar las extremidades del cadáver".
Así, "la rigidez es completa", parece aludir a que la rigidez interesa al cuerpo entero y no únicamente a algunas partes de éste (entire body rigid), y "en fase no vencible" a que la rigidez se encuentra en su fase de máxima expresión (complete rigor -a stage of complete rigor).
Diría así, por ejemplo,
Entire body rigid, complete rigor
Entire body rigid, rigor is complete
... sin tratar de encontrar una expresión que traslade literalmente la idea de "rigidez no vencible" -que en cualquier caso podría plantearse como peak rigidity. En todo caso, en alusión a la fase del rigor mortis de máxima rigidez o rigidez "no vencible", creo que complete rigor (también a veces expresado como full rigor) resulta lo más ajustado al caso.
Rigor mortis: instauración, estado y resolución
2ª Fase- Estado: Al finalizar la primera fase comienza aquella que se conoce como estado, llega a durar unas 12 horas y en este punto la rigidez es imposible de vencer sin llegar a desgarrar o fracturar las extremidades del cadáver.
https://www.google.es/amp/s/tanatosformacion.com/rigor-morti...
rigor mortis
Onset (instauración), complete (estado), passing/dissappearance (resolución)
The Stages of Rigor Mortis
According to the Medicolegal Death Investigators Training Manual, there are six stages of rigor mortis in humans. Their stages are:
Absent
Minimal
Moderate
Advanced
Complete
Passed
If you're working as a medicolegal death investigator, these stages would be combined when completing examinations. The four combines stages used in the field are:
Absent
Present (minimal, moderate)
Complete (advanced, complete)
Passed
https://study.com/academy/lesson/rigor-mortis-definition-tim...
Usually, perceived stiffness in motion of a joint is “mild ”, difficulty requiring force to move a joint is “moderate” , and having to use great force is “complete” rigor
https://www.google.es/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://i...
The body will be in complete rigor in 10-12 hours and remain stiff for another 24-36 hours at the same environmental temperature.
https://www.flandershealth.us/postmortem-interval/anthropoph...
12 HRS: – Rigor complete – peak rigor exhibited – entire body is rigid. https://www.google.es/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://...
It then becomes noticeable in the larger muscle groups such as the elbows, knees, and neck. It becomes fully fixed in six to 12 hours. After the fully fixed stage, it will work its way out of the body in the same order,
http://www.evidencemagazine.com/index.php?option=com_content...
complete rigor mortis
https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/4213687/carter-v-ins-c...
Rigor mortis begins in the muscles of the jaw and neck and proceeds downwards in the body to the trunk and extremities and complete within 6 to 12 hours.
https://www.google.es/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://...
12 hours: rigor is complete and throughout the entire body
https://www.google.es/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://w...
Note from asker:
| Thanks for your input, much appreciated! |
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
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cataleptic rigidity
cataleptic rigidity - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadaveric_spasm
En esta fase la rigidez es invencible sin producir desgarros o fracturas. - https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rigor_mortis
muscular rigidity, fixity of posture - https://www.wordreference.com/definition/cataleptic
En esta fase la rigidez es invencible sin producir desgarros o fracturas. - https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rigor_mortis
muscular rigidity, fixity of posture - https://www.wordreference.com/definition/cataleptic
Note from asker:
| Thanks for your input, much appreciated! |
Peer comment(s):
| neutral |
Thomas Walker
: "Cataleptic" may have a meaning related to the meaning we're looking for here, but the term "cataleptic" is used almost exclusively in reference to psychiatric or neurological conditions.
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see my first link: Cadaveric spasm, also known as postmortem spasm, instantaneous rigor, cataleptic rigidity, or instantaneous rigidity, is a rare form of muscular stiffening that occurs at the moment of death and persists into the period of rigor mortis
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fully developed
https://www.thelancet.com › article › PIIS0140-6736(05)60246-2 › fulltext
by BD Patel - 1997 - Related articles
15 Mar 1997 - However, long delay in the onset of rigor has been reported in well fed ... We have observed fully developed rigor mortis in marasmic patients ...
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Muscle rigidity, or rigor mortis, typically begins to develop at approximately 2 to 6 hours postmortem, becomes fully developed by 6 to 12 hours, and begins to resolve by approximately 36 hours in humans.4 Mar 2016
Time since Death from Rigor Mortis - Semantic Scholar
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org › ...
5 Jul 2018 - When rigor is fully developed, joints of the body become fixed .... stated that the postmortem rigidity i.e. rigor mortis is dependent on age, sex ...
Postmortem Changes: Overview, Definitions, Scene Findings
https://emedicine.medscape.com › article › 1680032-overview
13 Oct 2015 - Some of the more well-known postmortem changes, such as rigor mortis, ... Rigor mortis may develop very rapidly if the body is acidotic at the ...
Postmortem Changes in Animal Carcasses and Estimation of ...
https://journals.sagepub.com › doi › full
by JW Brooks - 2016 - Cited by 26 - Related articles
4 Mar 2016 - Muscle rigidity, or rigor mortis, typically begins to develop at approximately 2 to 6 hours postmortem, becomes fully developed by 6 to 12 hours, and begins to resolve by approximately 36 hours in humans.
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i.e.
rigor mortis has fully set in
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https://forum.wordreference.com/threads/rigidez-vencible.151...
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https://www.proz.com/kudoz/spanish-to-english/medical-genera...
by BD Patel - 1997 - Related articles
15 Mar 1997 - However, long delay in the onset of rigor has been reported in well fed ... We have observed fully developed rigor mortis in marasmic patients ...
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Note added at 11 hrs (2019-09-12 08:29:34 GMT)
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Muscle rigidity, or rigor mortis, typically begins to develop at approximately 2 to 6 hours postmortem, becomes fully developed by 6 to 12 hours, and begins to resolve by approximately 36 hours in humans.4 Mar 2016
Time since Death from Rigor Mortis - Semantic Scholar
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org › ...
5 Jul 2018 - When rigor is fully developed, joints of the body become fixed .... stated that the postmortem rigidity i.e. rigor mortis is dependent on age, sex ...
Postmortem Changes: Overview, Definitions, Scene Findings
https://emedicine.medscape.com › article › 1680032-overview
13 Oct 2015 - Some of the more well-known postmortem changes, such as rigor mortis, ... Rigor mortis may develop very rapidly if the body is acidotic at the ...
Postmortem Changes in Animal Carcasses and Estimation of ...
https://journals.sagepub.com › doi › full
by JW Brooks - 2016 - Cited by 26 - Related articles
4 Mar 2016 - Muscle rigidity, or rigor mortis, typically begins to develop at approximately 2 to 6 hours postmortem, becomes fully developed by 6 to 12 hours, and begins to resolve by approximately 36 hours in humans.
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i.e.
rigor mortis has fully set in
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https://forum.wordreference.com/threads/rigidez-vencible.151...
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https://www.proz.com/kudoz/spanish-to-english/medical-genera...
Note from asker:
| Thanks for your input, much appreciated! |
Peer comment(s):
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Roberto Amparán
: This translation is overgeneralized since it only describes the complete stage of rigor mortis. In this case, we are looking for the particular state of being "no vencible" in the complete stage of rigor mortis.
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Roberto Amparán
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United States
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[the rigor present] cannot be broken
This refers to the complete stage in the process of rigor mortis where it is impossible to move limbs. This can be reversed by "breaking" a limb, for example, with movement.
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The idea is that the rigidity is complete and the rigor is in an unbreakable state.
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vencible/no vencible = breakable/unbreakable
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https://www.riversideca.gov/cityclerk/sites/riversideca.gov....
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Found on pg. 5:
"Rigor mortis was present consistent with his found position and breakable with significant force in the upper extremities but unbreakable in the lower extremities."
riversideca.gov/cityclerk/sites/riversideca.gov.mayor/files/pdf/cprc/oid/ramirez/Tab_58.pdf
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The idea is that the rigidity is complete and the rigor is in an unbreakable state.
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vencible/no vencible = breakable/unbreakable
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https://www.riversideca.gov/cityclerk/sites/riversideca.gov....
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Found on pg. 5:
"Rigor mortis was present consistent with his found position and breakable with significant force in the upper extremities but unbreakable in the lower extremities."
riversideca.gov/cityclerk/sites/riversideca.gov.mayor/files/pdf/cprc/oid/ramirez/Tab_58.pdf
Example sentence:
Rigidity is complete and [the rigor present] at this stage cannot be broken.
Note from asker:
| Thanks for your input, much appreciated! |
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
abe(L)solano
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| disagree |
liz askew
: I don't believe this is used in autopsy vocabulary.
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I appreciate the effort but disagree again: "Rigor mortis was present consistent with his found position and breakable with significant force in the upper extremities but unbreakable in the lower extremities." See above.
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