Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
niches à munitions
English translation:
ammunition recess or cache
Added to glossary by
Anne Greaves
Nov 15, 2019 14:40
4 yrs ago
French term
United Kingdom
niches à munitions
French to English
Other
Military / Defense
2nd world war text
Hello all,
I'm translating a text on the redevelopment of a 2nd World War site in France. I have an idea what niches à munitions look like, I think they are a sort of alcove designed to house artillery, though I might be wrong, but haven't found the English translation yet. Grateful for any help!
Au cours de l’été 1942, six grands encuvements circulaires en béton avec niches à munitions attenantes sont construits pour recevoir les pièces de 155 mm modèle 1917 GPF (Grande Puissance Filloux)....
I'm translating a text on the redevelopment of a 2nd World War site in France. I have an idea what niches à munitions look like, I think they are a sort of alcove designed to house artillery, though I might be wrong, but haven't found the English translation yet. Grateful for any help!
Au cours de l’été 1942, six grands encuvements circulaires en béton avec niches à munitions attenantes sont construits pour recevoir les pièces de 155 mm modèle 1917 GPF (Grande Puissance Filloux)....
Proposed translations
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| 4 +4 | ammunition recess or cache |
Yvonne Gallagher
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| 4 | shell locker |
kashew
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| 3 | ammunition store |
Nicolas Gambardella
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| 3 -1 | Army bunker |
Eoin Finnegan
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References
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philgoddard
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Change log
Nov 15, 2019 15:31: philgoddard changed "Language pair" from "French to English" to "English to French"
Nov 15, 2019 15:31: philgoddard changed "Language pair" from "English to French" to "French to English"
Proposed translations
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Yvonne Gallagher
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ammunition recess or cache
Iwas thinking of "cache", which is a hidden store of ammunition but found this (p 289) which seems to be authoritative
https://books.google.ie/books?id=xo0tAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA289&lpg=P...
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Note added at 36 mins (2019-11-15 15:16:10 GMT)
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of course ammunition and armaments are also kept in a
"magazine"
which may be better here as it seems it may be a bigger chamber?
https://books.google.ie/books?id=87NOAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA34&lpg=PA...
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Glad to have helped.
https://books.google.ie/books?id=xo0tAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA289&lpg=P...
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Note added at 36 mins (2019-11-15 15:16:10 GMT)
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of course ammunition and armaments are also kept in a
"magazine"
which may be better here as it seems it may be a bigger chamber?
https://books.google.ie/books?id=87NOAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA34&lpg=PA...
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Note added at 3 days 20 hrs (2019-11-19 11:06:49 GMT) Post-grading
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Glad to have helped.
Peer comment(s):
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Daryo
: "ammunition recess" is the most likely - it's for the ammunition kept close the guns, as in "niches à munitions attenantes (aux encuvements)"
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Thanks. Yes, it looks like recess here as magazine is larger and intended for longer-term storage of arms, ammunition, and provisions
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Cyril Tollari
: ammunition recess
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Many thanks:-)
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Clive Phillips
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Many thanks:-) https://www.worldwar2heritage.com/en/page/9069/205/Heavy-Ant... "ammunition recess" used here in English
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kashew
1 day 2 hrs
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Many thanks:-)
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thanks for your help!"
11 mins
Nicolas Gambardella
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ammunition store
Perhaps?
Reference:
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
philgoddard
: I don't think it matters exactly what you call them.
44 mins
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| disagree |
Daryo
: it does matter what you call them - an "ammunition store" would be far more than just "une niche attenante à l'encuvement"
1 hr
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2 hrs
Eoin Finnegan
Ireland
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Army bunker
Based on the images that appear when searching for niches a munitions. It would appear to be some sort of bunker
Peer comment(s):
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Daryo
: you do get "ammunition bunkers" close to gun batteries, but an "army bunker" is another beast altogether.
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1 day 3 hrs
shell locker
an option
Reference comments
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Reference:
Pictures
These are of a similar site, perhaps even the same one. It refers to "niches à munitions" and to "magasins de combat", which appear to be the same thing.
https://www.lieux-insolites.fr/cicatrice/sere/dollemard/doll...
https://www.lieux-insolites.fr/cicatrice/sere/dollemard/doll...
Peer comments on this reference comment:
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Daryo
: good refs, but "niches à munitions" and "magasins de combat" аre not quite the same.
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Discussion
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these "niches à munitions" are just one next to each of the "six grands encuvements circulaires" and are meant to be used to keep a relatively small quantity of ammunition close to the guns - not to be a longer term "storage" for larger stocks of ammunition.
Used to keep "a relatively small quantity of ammunition" that is immediately available for the gun crew, NOTHING ELSE - and it's NOT "a building", it's no more than a hole in the ground at the edge of these big "encuvements".
I found that the ammunition is often kept close to the big field guns in "ammunition bunkers" - seem to be comparable to "niches à munitions"
BTW a "military depot" would hold large quantities of all kind of military supply (not only ammunition), and certainly would NOT be anywhere near a field gun.