Dec 10, 2019 09:22
4 yrs ago
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Italian term
Italy
Bambagia
Italian to English
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Textiles / Clothing / Fashion
Can anyone help with the English equivalent of "bambagia" defined as "An Italian term for textile waste usually composed of cotton or wool fibers. Bambagia is similar to cotton wool" (http://cameo.mfa.org/wiki/Bambagia). The context is non-technical guidebook talking of the village courtyards where "le donne filano tessono lana e bambagia". Later it reoccurs in a reference to a "berrettino di bambagia" worn by a young man. I've seen in the Proz glossary the translation of "fly", but it doesn't seem appropriate in this case, neither does the literal "cotton waste". Any ideas? Thanks in advance.
Proposed translations
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| 3 | raw cotton fibres |
Kate Chaffer
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| 4 | Cotton fibres |
Lara Barnett
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| 3 +1 | Cotton wool |
Roberta Broccoletti
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| 3 | batting/wadding |
toasty
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| 2 | cotton roving/rove; cotton sliver [unspun (raw) cotton] |
Wolf Draeger
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Proposed translations
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Kate Chaffer
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raw cotton fibres
I think 'cotton wool' would be the right term for a US audience, but obviously not for the UK as it would conjure up ideas of fluffy white stuff to take your eye makeup off with! I'd go with a more general definition.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bambagia
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cotton_wool
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bambagia
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cotton_wool
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Comment: "Many thanks for all your very helpful answers and reference material. Having read round a bit, it seems there are important differences between American and British English, so to be on the safe side, I've decided to opt for the general definition. "
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batting/wadding
Corriere lists it as a synonym for ovatta, so maybe batting/wadding. Or perhaps thrums, thread waste or even roving?
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Lara Barnett
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Cotton fibres
I think that this is describing the spinning of the cotton fibres into yarns.
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"Spinning is the first steps of textile product processing. The process of making yarns from the textile fiber is called spinning. Spinning is the twisting together of drawn out strands of fibers to form yarn, ....."
https://textilelearner.blogspot.com/2013/08/cotton-yarn-spin...
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SILK MONEY/SETA MONETA - Lullaby
Seta moneta
le donne di Gaeta
che filano la seta
la seta e la bambagia
Silk, money,
Women from Gaeta*
Spinning silk,
Silk and cotton.
https://www.mamalisa.com/?t=es&p=3101&c=120&filterType=all&f...
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"WHERE DOES OUR COTTON CAME FROM?
Øldberg cotton is obtained from herbaceous plants, typical of tropical and subtropical areas characterized by warm climates and very fertile soils. These plants produce large yellow flowers from which born fruits containing various seeds wrapped in the BAMBAGIA. After being collected with suction machines, the BAMBAGIA is shucked with special machines to free it from the seeds and then subjected to carding. Then the shorter fibers and the impurities are eliminated through the combing. "
https://www.oldbergstyle.com/en/why-is-cotton-our-life-fabri...
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"Spinning is the first steps of textile product processing. The process of making yarns from the textile fiber is called spinning. Spinning is the twisting together of drawn out strands of fibers to form yarn, ....."
https://textilelearner.blogspot.com/2013/08/cotton-yarn-spin...
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SILK MONEY/SETA MONETA - Lullaby
Seta moneta
le donne di Gaeta
che filano la seta
la seta e la bambagia
Silk, money,
Women from Gaeta*
Spinning silk,
Silk and cotton.
https://www.mamalisa.com/?t=es&p=3101&c=120&filterType=all&f...
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"WHERE DOES OUR COTTON CAME FROM?
Øldberg cotton is obtained from herbaceous plants, typical of tropical and subtropical areas characterized by warm climates and very fertile soils. These plants produce large yellow flowers from which born fruits containing various seeds wrapped in the BAMBAGIA. After being collected with suction machines, the BAMBAGIA is shucked with special machines to free it from the seeds and then subjected to carding. Then the shorter fibers and the impurities are eliminated through the combing. "
https://www.oldbergstyle.com/en/why-is-cotton-our-life-fabri...
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Roberta Broccoletti
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cotton roving/rove; cotton sliver [unspun (raw) cotton]
My Ragazzini has "raw cotton" as one meaning of bambagia and my Zingarelli defines it among others as "cotone non filato, in fiochi". See also https://it.wiktionary.org/wiki/bambagia.
Poking around on the Web for 'raw/unspun' cotton gives "roving" and "sliver", explained thus in Wikipedia:
Roving (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roving)
"A roving is a long and narrow bundle of fiber. Rovings are produced during the process of making spun yarn from wool fleece, raw cotton, or other fibres. Their main use is as fibre prepared for spinning, but they may also be used for specialised kinds of knitting or other textile arts.
After carding, the fibres lie roughly parallel in smooth bundles. These are drawn out, by hand or machine, and slightly twisted to form lengths suitable for spinning. These unspun strands of fibre are the rovings. Roving can also mean a roll of these strands, the strands in general (as a mass noun), or the process of creating them.
[...] Roving is not to be confused with sliver as there is twist in roving."
Sliver (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sliver_(textiles))
"A sliver [...] is a long bundle of fibre that is generally used to spin yarn. A sliver is created by carding or combing the fibre, which is then drawn into long strips where the fibre is parallel. When sliver is drawn further and given a slight twist, it becomes roving."
English dictionary definitions of rove (roving):
ODE: a sliver of cotton, wool, or other fibre, drawn out and slightly twisted, especially preparatory to spinning—form (slivers of wool, cotton, or other fibre) into roves.
Collins: pull out and twist (fibres of wool, cotton, etc) lightly, as before spinning or in carding—wool, cotton, etc, thus prepared.
Chambers: twist (cotton, wool, etc) slightly in preparation for spinning—a roved sliver.
It doesn't help that the ODE & Chambers seem to conflate rove and sliver.
I guess being a form of unspun or 'raw' cotton makes sense if it is then spun by hand in a peasant village/nonindustrial setting?
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Knitting blog links:
https://www.tracibunkers.com/2016/01/knit-roving-tutorial.ht...
https://jackie-es.com/spinning/braided-cotton-roving.php
https://abeautifulmess.com/2015/03/weaving-with-wool-roving....
Poking around on the Web for 'raw/unspun' cotton gives "roving" and "sliver", explained thus in Wikipedia:
Roving (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roving)
"A roving is a long and narrow bundle of fiber. Rovings are produced during the process of making spun yarn from wool fleece, raw cotton, or other fibres. Their main use is as fibre prepared for spinning, but they may also be used for specialised kinds of knitting or other textile arts.
After carding, the fibres lie roughly parallel in smooth bundles. These are drawn out, by hand or machine, and slightly twisted to form lengths suitable for spinning. These unspun strands of fibre are the rovings. Roving can also mean a roll of these strands, the strands in general (as a mass noun), or the process of creating them.
[...] Roving is not to be confused with sliver as there is twist in roving."
Sliver (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sliver_(textiles))
"A sliver [...] is a long bundle of fibre that is generally used to spin yarn. A sliver is created by carding or combing the fibre, which is then drawn into long strips where the fibre is parallel. When sliver is drawn further and given a slight twist, it becomes roving."
English dictionary definitions of rove (roving):
ODE: a sliver of cotton, wool, or other fibre, drawn out and slightly twisted, especially preparatory to spinning—form (slivers of wool, cotton, or other fibre) into roves.
Collins: pull out and twist (fibres of wool, cotton, etc) lightly, as before spinning or in carding—wool, cotton, etc, thus prepared.
Chambers: twist (cotton, wool, etc) slightly in preparation for spinning—a roved sliver.
It doesn't help that the ODE & Chambers seem to conflate rove and sliver.
I guess being a form of unspun or 'raw' cotton makes sense if it is then spun by hand in a peasant village/nonindustrial setting?
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Knitting blog links:
https://www.tracibunkers.com/2016/01/knit-roving-tutorial.ht...
https://jackie-es.com/spinning/braided-cotton-roving.php
https://abeautifulmess.com/2015/03/weaving-with-wool-roving....
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philgoddard
: This is a good answer, but we've already had roving.
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True, but I only noticed toasty's mention of it after I posted my answer.
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Reference comments
53 mins
Reference:
Try kapok
http://www.treccani.it/enciclopedia/kapok/
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http://www.ilseguire.com/cuscini-kapok-il-seguire-c2x1606692...
http://www.treccani.it/enciclopedia/kapok/
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http://www.ilseguire.com/cuscini-kapok-il-seguire-c2x1606692...
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Reference:
cotton wool
bambagia f TESS cotton waste
bambagia f cotone non filato TESS cotton wool
bambagina f TESS bombazine
from xls file below
[XLS]tess
https://home.zhaw.ch › rih › tessile
54, acala, m sp, varietà di cotone, BOT, TESS, Acala, a kind of cotton, elena, TESSILE ...... 1084, cotone in fiocchi, m, TESS, cotton wool, TESSILE. 1085, cotone ...
bambagia f cotone non filato TESS cotton wool
bambagina f TESS bombazine
from xls file below
[XLS]tess
https://home.zhaw.ch › rih › tessile
54, acala, m sp, varietà di cotone, BOT, TESS, Acala, a kind of cotton, elena, TESSILE ...... 1084, cotone in fiocchi, m, TESS, cotton wool, TESSILE. 1085, cotone ...
Discussion
http://www.lse.ac.uk/Economic-History/Assets/Documents/Resea...
And also, as per the link in my answer below, the later part of the paragraph states:
".....in the eighteenth century, England began the cultivation of cotton and thanks to the first machines for spinning and weaving, cotton was imposed on the world market at prices much lower than those of wool. With the development of the cotton industry, its production grew world-wide, thus becoming the fabric of our life."
https://www.oldbergstyle.com/en/why-is-cotton-our-life-fabri...