Jul 11, 2004 12:28
19 yrs ago
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English term
assume vs. suppose
English
Science
Mathematics & Statistics
math
Here are two examples:
Assume that A is equal to B.
Suppose A=B.
My colleague said that there was a subtle difference between the two statements from the mathematical standpoint. Is he right?
Assume that A is equal to B.
Suppose A=B.
My colleague said that there was a subtle difference between the two statements from the mathematical standpoint. Is he right?
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Not an expert in maths, but I'd say "assume" implies taking something for granted (as in LET a=4), while "suppose" could be an intro to presenting one of the possible scenarios.
If you ask someone to assume that A=B, you're telling them not to question that, while saying "suppose A=B" goes more along the lines of "let's see where it gets us if we say that A=B"
If you ask someone to assume that A=B, you're telling them not to question that, while saying "suppose A=B" goes more along the lines of "let's see where it gets us if we say that A=B"
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Though I'm still not sure whether there is a difference, the way you were reasoning in attemp to explain it was quite instructive. Thank you for that!!"
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There is no difference
I think there is no difference. Ask your friend why he thinks that these are not same in mathematical standpoint.
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Craft.Content
: It would be interesting to know about the subtle difference.
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Thanks Sanjay
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pike
: can't be 100% about maths, but I'm pretty sure there is a difference in everyday speech.
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Actually both are possible, lets see what others think. Anyway, thanks.
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Christian
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Thanks Christian
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Roddy Stegemann
: In a mathematical sense there is no difference.
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Thanks Hamo.
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Ramesh Madhavan
: George Rabel is right but in today's usage, there is no difference when it comes to Mathematics.
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Thanks Ramesh.
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PRen (X)
: There is a subtle but very real difference - see below
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Both can be possible.Lets see which is correct. Anyway, thanks.
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certain v possible
I am not mathematician, but I "suppose" the difference between the two is the degree of certainty. An assumption entails a greater degree of certainty than a supposition. Let's see what the colleagues have to offer.
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pike
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Thanks
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Vicky Papaprodromou
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Thanks ~
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Roddy Stegemann
: Please see my note to Pike.
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yes, I have no opinion as to whether there is a difference inthe specific field of Mathematics. I do think there is a difference in everyday speech
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Ramesh Madhavan
: Please see my comments for Trini's answer.
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Thanks
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PRen (X)
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Thanks
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Madeleine MacRae Klintebo
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Degree of difference
For me, "assume" involves a small difference, for example, if we carry out the algebraic expansion of (1 + cosA)**10, then when A is close to 90 degrees or pi/2 radians, we can ASSUME that this function is equivalent to 1 + 10cosA (as the other terms are so small that they can be disregarded).
Suppose, on the other hand, involves a greater shift in line of thought.
Hope this helps to elucidate this subtle difference.
Suppose, on the other hand, involves a greater shift in line of thought.
Hope this helps to elucidate this subtle difference.
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English term (edited):
assumption vs. supposition
assumption is the term used in mathematical proofs
if you look at fundamental mathematical sites (like university math departments, see MIT link below) showing proofs, you will see this.
Since the answer is unknown, neither nor is in the mind of the mathematician. Therefore, according to the constructivists, the disjunction is not a legitimate mathematical assumption. Thus Aristotle's either-or principle (see 1.1.1 and 1.2.3 above) must be abandoned.
CILT - Mathematics Standards Glossary
... Mathematics - Glossary. Absolute Value, ... x. Axiom, A basic assumption about a mathematical system from which theorems can be deduced. For ...
164.64.166.11/cilt/standards/math/glossary.html
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Note added at 9 hrs 34 mins (2004-07-11 22:03:14 GMT)
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Math is black or white except in hypothetical cases, when substituting different values for a variable.
In the asker\'s example we are dealing with a hypothetical, so both terms can be used. I added my entry because I thought it might be helpful to the asker in general.
In Pike\'s example below :
Given formula a = G*c
if variable c = 1, then.....
if varable c = 2, then
this type of hypothetical phrasing (given x = 1 + y) If y = 1, then x = blahblah
If y = 2, then
the same type of hypothetical phrase is used in regular everyday English: if I use 2 eggs instead of 1, I will need 3 cups of flour.
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Note added at 9 hrs 38 mins (2004-07-11 22:06:52 GMT)
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this type of hypothetical reasoning is really an exercise in deductive logic
Since the answer is unknown, neither nor is in the mind of the mathematician. Therefore, according to the constructivists, the disjunction is not a legitimate mathematical assumption. Thus Aristotle's either-or principle (see 1.1.1 and 1.2.3 above) must be abandoned.
CILT - Mathematics Standards Glossary
... Mathematics - Glossary. Absolute Value, ... x. Axiom, A basic assumption about a mathematical system from which theorems can be deduced. For ...
164.64.166.11/cilt/standards/math/glossary.html
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Note added at 9 hrs 34 mins (2004-07-11 22:03:14 GMT)
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Math is black or white except in hypothetical cases, when substituting different values for a variable.
In the asker\'s example we are dealing with a hypothetical, so both terms can be used. I added my entry because I thought it might be helpful to the asker in general.
In Pike\'s example below :
Given formula a = G*c
if variable c = 1, then.....
if varable c = 2, then
this type of hypothetical phrasing (given x = 1 + y) If y = 1, then x = blahblah
If y = 2, then
the same type of hypothetical phrase is used in regular everyday English: if I use 2 eggs instead of 1, I will need 3 cups of flour.
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Note added at 9 hrs 38 mins (2004-07-11 22:06:52 GMT)
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this type of hypothetical reasoning is really an exercise in deductive logic
Peer comment(s):
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Aisha Maniar
: quite right; my mathematician sister said that the term "suppose" is not used in maths, it has to be "assume" :-)
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thanks Aisha:-) (my husband has a Ph.D. in a similar field)
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Asghar Bhatti
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Thanks Asghar!
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pike
: How would you phrase it if you had a case where the formula is definitely a=G*c (let's say G is a constant value) and then start calculating what if variable c is 1, what if it's 2? Would you always use just "assume"?
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thank you, see added note above
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Roddy Stegemann
: Although assumption is the proper word in both logical and mathematical theory, the question relates to the use of the words "assume" and "suppose". In this regard there is no difference. Other terms with identical meaning include "let" and "given that".
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6523 days
assume vs. suppose
Assume: The trial declaration, effort made by the reader; A and B are forced to be equal by the subject. A and B have nothing to do themselves. They are helpless.
Suppose : The subject/ author has less role. A & B together/ willingly agree to be equal. And it is a chance; trial made by the author/subject. A and B cooperate for the exercise.
Suppose : The subject/ author has less role. A & B together/ willingly agree to be equal. And it is a chance; trial made by the author/subject. A and B cooperate for the exercise.
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