Powwow Report for Pologne - Kraków (Nov 25 2005)


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Report from  Henk Peelen
Being everything but the most important prozian, I feel a little bit sorry for opening the report session.

I found this conference wonderfull arranged and very complete. I always appreciate proz for its ability to organize incredible virtual and physical means that are affordable for nearly everybody. This summer I attended a similar meeting of a very famous international translators and interpreters body, where the (not compulsory) dinner / boat trip costed more than the whole Cracow conference. Not to run them down, but just to bring things into perspective.

Some pictures of my trip
1) Discovering Cracow by bike, against the background of Klasztor Kamedulow.
2) Dinner at Pod Aniolami:
3) Ralf Lemster behind the mic.
4) Staff: Dwayne & Henry.
5) Still the KGB??? Don't know anything of the moonlight activities of Mats and Henry. Period!
6) Josephine Bacon and the official photographer
7) Angela Arnone surely keeps you awake.
8) Thank you, Magda!
9) Auschwitz
10) Back home: sinterklaas

Travelling by train is quite interesting. The Polish people like to talk about languages, intellectual matters, international relations, culture, social relations and kind of things. Anyway, night trains seem to be intended for discussing. ... yawn ...

Just some notes of a grateful conference visitor.
Enjoy the pictures!
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Postings from ProZians who attended this event

Dec 11 '05  Jeremy Smith: I'm a little late to the party...
...but here are my photos:

1) <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/idiomatika/sets/1550507/">Conference and meals</a>
2)<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/idiomatika/sets/1550498/">Krakow</a>
Dec 6 '05  Wouter van Kampen: And even more pictures from the Kraków conference
http://www.thaiways.com/FYEO/
Dec 4 '05  arterm: My pictures from Krakow
http://www.englishintorussian.com/Krakow/index.htm
Dec 3 '05  George Amolochitis: True Fonts; Times New Roman and Courrier New
Thanks. I think it is a good topic to analyze it in BA in August; may be we will get our input of our Spanish colleagues in case they face difficulties with the "ene" (ρ) character. Personally, I doubt if they are "ene" problems but just to have the whole topic completed. So, thanks for your input and the discussion we have had that I have found it particularly constructive.
Dec 3 '05  Jerzy Czopik: Yes, they are
But the font used is defined by the website, not by your computer.
This is not a good place to discuss such issues, so I would suggest we continue during the next conference :-)
Dec 3 '05  George Amolochitis: TT Fonts : Times New Roman and Courrier New
Hi Jerzy; Are Times New Roman and Courrier New TrueType fonts? I checked with my Internet options and I have found that I have the following Fonts settings: Language scripts: Greek, Web Page font: Times New Roman, Plain text font: Courrier new.
Dec 3 '05  Jerzy Czopik: Not all screen fonts are TT
For example the font used by Explorer is often MS Sans Serif, which is not a TT, but only a screen font.

TT - and even PostScrit (especially when Adobe TypeManager is used; however not necessary in Windows XP, but usefull) - fonts look and print the same.
This is true for word processors, such as Word, or for DTP programs, but not necessarily for text editors or Internet tools
Dec 3 '05  George Amolochitis: Print and Screen Fonts
Thanks a lot, Robert. I will go through the comprehensive literature you have sent, in detail. All the best, George
Dec 3 '05  Robert Zawadzki (X): Print and screen fonts
As far as I know Windows TrueType fonts should look the same when printed and displayed.

You can see the best discussion of how to enter them here:
http://www.fileformat.info/tip/microsoft/enter_unicode.htm

See also http://www.microsoft.com/typography/unicode/cscp.htm

And currently Windows use TrueType. OpenType will be used in the next release (now codenamed "Avalon"). http://winfx.msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/wcp_conceptual/html/4571ccfe-8a60-4f06-9b37-7ac0b1c2d10f.asp

And an ultimate source of Microsoft-related font knowledge:
http://www.microsoft.com/typography/default.mspx
Dec 3 '05  George Amolochitis: Screen fonts: Central European (Windows) to be used
Thanks a lot Jerzy; I have used View -> Encoding -> Central European (Windows)amd I have got the sentence correctly: "P�jd��e, ki� t� chmurno�� w g��b flaszy". That's great! Thanks again and best regards,
George
Dec 3 '05  Jerzy Czopik: Ehm, please don´t mix print fonts and screen fonts
Even if you are able to print any language using the system fonts Arial, Courier New and Times New Roman in Windows XP or to see the proper characters when opening text in Word, you will NOT be able to see Polish, Russian and Greek in one page in Internet Explorer, unless the page is coded in unicode. You would need to insert the polish characters here as Unicode - and I must admit, I don´t know how to do that. The characters, which Robert has written here, are coded as Windows CP 1250, not as unicode. If you want to see them right, you need to advise your Internet Explorer to use the Middle Europe (Windows) encoding.
Jerzy

BTW, Unicode compatible fonts are called OpenType. These are at least Arial, CN and TNR at any Windows XP machine.
Dec 3 '05  George Amolochitis: Sentence containing all letters in a Polish alphabet
I have obtained a "monstruous" sentence, I will send it as a Word file for your comments.
Dec 3 '05  George Amolochitis: Polish characters
Thanks. I'm using Windows XP. How should I know if my fonts are Unicode-compatible? Can you help? Tks.
Dec 3 '05  Robert Zawadzki (X): By the way: sentence containg all letters in a Polish alphabet
And each one only once:

Pójdźże, kiń tę chmurność w głąb flaszy.
Dec 3 '05  Robert Zawadzki (X): Polish characters
I the text above, Latin equivalents are displayed. I guess you need appropriate fonts (and NT line Windows: NT, 2000, XP, 2003 that are Unicode-compatible) to display them.

ą = a cedille
ę = e cedille
ź = z acute
...
etc
Dec 3 '05  George Amolochitis: Dowidzenia TBC
Hi again, Dorota. I hope that you will be able to read the polish letter in "dziekuje" as even if I'm changing the Windows code it appears as a kappa (Greek k).
Dec 3 '05  George Amolochitis: Dowidzenia
Dzien dobry Dorota,
Dziκkuje panu. I hope that in the near future I will be able to read and write Polish in a convenient way.
Do zobazcenia!
Dec 3 '05  Dorota Crates: Thanks for the photos...
Very good indeed! And your spelling is spot on, George. I am impressed!
Dowidzenia :)
Dec 3 '05  Effie Emmanouilidou: Yes,
I left early Monday morning, even though I believe the luckiest were those who were leaving on Wednesday, or even later!
Dec 3 '05  George Amolochitis: Effie's photos in Krakow
Very good Effie, I presume you have stayed one day more for the tour. The only place I had time to see was Rynek: Dobre bardzo! If my polish spelling is correct...
Dec 3 '05  Effie Emmanouilidou: Uploaded photos - links
Hello everyone, I have finally decided to upload my photos from the town (even though I am sure you all took similar ones). Please forgive me for the darkness of some of them. I am planning to correct that soon.
Here are the links:
http://community.webshots.com/album/516046073vmpMHC (Krakow - Wawel Castle)
http://community.webshots.com/album/514101048UFhlxL (Krakow - Old town
)
Dec 1 '05  avantix: Thanks to all...
especially Magda for luring us to the wonderful city of Krakow and her perfect organisation, Jerzy for his valuable support. And, of course, Henry - who by his presence showed once more that he feels really involved in the ProZ-community. Hope to see (some of) you in BA next year.
Herman
Nov 29 '05  Paola Dentifrigi: Well done!
Thank you Magda, Henry, Robert, Jerzy and all the Prozaks (as they say in Polish) who are posting their pictures. If I survive the Polish winter and feel like having a taste of the South American one, I'll definitely be in Buenos Aires.
By the way, I am still in Cracow.
Ciao
Paola
Nov 29 '05  Bianca Fogarasi: here are my pictures as well
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/biancafogarasi/album?.dir=/8adc
Nov 29 '05  Vladimir Suda: Pics uploaded
Dear all, I uploaded some pics made at the conference to http://community.webshots.com/album/514104644BkmMgU. Have fun! Vladimir
Nov 29 '05  Dan Marasescu: Hi
It was great indeed. You can have a look at some of my pictures here: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/tradofilia/album?.dir=dd7c&.src=ph&store=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/tradofilia/my_photos
Nov 29 '05  Russell Jones: Thanks Magda
and everyone else who contributed. It was a great success.
Nov 29 '05  George Amolochitis: Excellent! Nothing else...
That was a really fantastic conference with complete cover of most of the encountered problems as well as of the main technical aspects regarding the CAT tools Wordfast and Trados. Congratulations to the organizing committee and specially to Magda that excel herself by making sure that everything was running properly. That was my first Proz.com conference, I was really satisfied and I'm looking forward to participate in the coming one, end of August 2006, in Buenos Aires. See you there...
Nov 29 '05  Effie Emmanouilidou: Thank you Robert
It is great to see photos that others have taken. Thank you all for a wonderful time. It was great meeting you all and being in Krakow. Thank you Henry and Magda for organizing it so smoothly. Hope to see you all at the next European Proz conference.
Nov 28 '05  Robert Zawadzki (X): Photos from Thursday dinner
I decided to make use of some servers space that was discussed on a conference.
[url]http://www.rz.my.proz.com/[/url]
Nov 28 '05  Bianca Fogarasi: thanks, I'll be back.... :-)
Thank you to Magda, Henry, all the speakers and participants. This was my first proz conference. I'll do my best to attend to all the future ones. I've learnt a lot, it was very useful and it's so, so very nice to meet in person PROZ members. Now, I've looked again to all your pictures. It's such a difference now... I remember having seen or talked to so many of you. You are no more just a pretty picture and a funny name... ;-)) It's DIFFERENT now. You are THE ONE I've listened to presenting subject X or with whom I've shared impressions on topic Z or who made me laugh with at good joke... It was a great way of learning new stuff, networking among each other and feeling that I'm really part of a community. A GREAT one. Thanks again!
Nov 28 '05  Silvia Puit V�gelin: thanks to the organization
Thanks to the organization! (specially to Magda who made possible the change of attendant)
However, I have to say that this was my first and my last proz.com conference, as it did not really meet my expectations.
I hope you all enjoyed the great atmosphere in Kraków!
Nov 28 '05  Eliza-Anna: Absolutely brilliant!
I really enjoyed the conference and once again I would like to thank Magda, Henry and everyone who was involved inorganising it! the sessions were very helpful and I was really pleased to visit Krakov as well, as it is such an interesting place! I look forward to coming along to others in the future and meeting everyone again!

Nov 28 '05  MurielP (X): Thank you!
A big thank you to Magda, Henry and all the others who contributed to the success of this conference. It was great meeting everyone!
Nov 28 '05  Ulrike Sengfelder: Great!
I enjoyed meeting you all very much. Special thanks to Magda for organizing and to Jerzy for the nice restaurant selection! See you next time!
Nov 28 '05  Jakub Szacki: Thanks to all of you.
and to Magda in particular. Kraków + Proz is a really nice combination.
Nov 28 '05  Steffen Walter: Thanks so much, Magda!!
Splendid organisation - you've set a very high standard to be also met in Berlin and Buenos Aires next year.
Nov 28 '05  Peter Cox: Congratulations
Well done Magda. Best organised conference to date. A challenge to future organisers!. My thanks also to all others who made presentations.
Nov 27 '05  Szymon Metkowski: Terryfic.
My first Proz.com conference, but definitelly not the last one. Thank you all!
Nov 27 '05  Maciej Andrzejczak: A great event
Although I have not had a pleasure to talk to all of you, it was a real pleasure to be in Cracow at the conference. It is always a great fun to meet a proz.com member in person. Great job and event Magda and Henry!
Nov 27 '05  Eva Blanar: It was wonderful!
Many thanks to Henry and Magda for this conference, I truly enjoyed every minute I could spend with you. (Sorry I did not show much of myself, but I was there to listen and learn.) See you next time and thanks again.
Nov 27 '05  anulka: It was awesome :)
Thanks to Henry, Magda all of the speakers and everybody else, who made this conference happen! :)
Nov 27 '05  Piotr Wargan: Till next time...