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Lieven Malaise wrote:
Gerard Barry wrote:
Even apart from AI, translation is not a line of work that I would recommend to anyone because of the modest pay, lack of opportunities for promotion, boring work, etc. Like I said, approach with caution.
I am not exactly thrilled by the documents I'm asked to translate (user manuals, government policies, contracts, laws, public contract specifications etcetera), but I enjoy every minute translating them. It's quite remarkable to choose translation if you think it's a boring job.
Also, opportunities for promotion and even the pay were never considerations when I chose to become a translator (just like I never planned to become a freelancer). I chose something that I enjoyed doing and found interesting, and that's exactly what I recommend my children to do, without even thinking about economical opportunities. Begin with doing what you would like to do, and if it doesn't work out: adapt and do something else.
My oldest son dreams of becoming a truck driver, for several years now. He's now studying supply chain management because I told him it would be ashame not to capitalize on his 6 years of Greek and Latin to get a college degree. But after that I will fully support him, despite the fact that the pay won't be great. Doing something that makes you happy is more important than a high paycheck or career opportunities.
Well, when I decided to become a translator, I didn't realise it would be quite so boring, did I? In any case, the job options for language graduates are quite limited in my experience, despite what universities will tell us.
Whatever about promotion (I was never a very career-minded person), I think pay is very important in any job. We all need to eat, put a roof over our heads, pay the bills and, hopefully, have some disposable income left over and be able to save money as well. Obviously being happy in your work is important too but let's not deny the reality that we all need money either.
It's good that you're supporting your son to do whatever he wants career-wise. But are truck drivers as badly paid as you're saying? I dare say many of them earn more than translators do!
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Gerard Barry wrote:
Obviously being happy in your work is important too but let's not deny the reality that we all need money either.
Sure, that's why I said that you can always do something else if it doesn't work out. But you shouldn't expect that it won't work out, imo.
Gerard Barry wrote:
But are truck drivers as badly paid as you're saying?
I didn't say "bad". In Belgium it would be just over the minimum wage (unless you drive internationally, which is better paid). To be clear: you can live from the minimum wage, it's just "not great". Indeed, like inhouse translators: okay, but not great.
As far as freelancers are concerned: you can't really put them into the equation. The wage of a truck driver or an inhouse translator is more or less pre-determined. Freelancers that continue to work for an income that's basically too low, "choose" to do so. Personally, I wouldn't hesitate to quit the industry if I can't make the money any more that I need to make.
| | | | | Is Euro Truck Simulator to be blamed? | Mar 13 |
Lieven Malaise wrote:
My oldest son dreams of becoming a truck driver, for several years now.
The wage of a truck driver or an inhouse translator is more or less pre-determined.
I knew that Euro Truck Simulator was a massively popular game in the last decade, but I've known very few people who have taken the game to heart to the extent of making a real career out of it...
I think that your son could make decent money from trucking if he's not too fussy about the kind of cargo he carries, especially on the route between Calais and Dover, and let the occasional merchandise fall 'off the back of the lorry', as it were... After all, one might say that life is all about taking chances (or living dangerously) 
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Baran Keki wrote:
I knew that Euro Truck Simulator was a massively popular game in the last decade, but I've known very few people who have taken the game to heart to the extent of making a real career out of it...
Not sure about the name of the game, but he is (or rather was) fond of a truck simulator game, including steering wheel, pedals and gearlever. 😆
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Baran Keki wrote:
In the meantime you can take up plumbing. A part time German plumber translator here makes big bucks (or so I've heard).
...as can be seen below, and with the old trick known from "London" agencies: Just go and establish your career in a low cost country, but advertise as if your business is settled in a country (or city) known for good standards:
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Lieven Malaise wrote:
Gerard Barry wrote:
Obviously being happy in your work is important too but let's not deny the reality that we all need money either.
Sure, that's why I said that you can always do something else if it doesn't work out. But you shouldn't expect that it won't work out, imo.
Gerard Barry wrote:
But are truck drivers as badly paid as you're saying?
I didn't say "bad". In Belgium it would be just over the minimum wage (unless you drive internationally, which is better paid). To be clear: you can live from the minimum wage, it's just "not great". Indeed, like inhouse translators: okay, but not great.
As far as freelancers are concerned: you can't really put them into the equation. The wage of a truck driver or an inhouse translator is more or less pre-determined. Freelancers that continue to work for an income that's basically too low, "choose" to do so. Personally, I wouldn't hesitate to quit the industry if I can't make the money any more that I need to make.
It's a shame that a job that is as important as truck driving (I'm thinking here of food deliveries just as one example) is so poorly paid. I remember hearing that, post-Brexit, truck drivers' wages in the UK increased as the trucking companies could no longer keep importing cheaper labour from Eastern Europe (at least not without a work permit) and this pushed wages up for drivers in the UK, which I thought was great. In any case, I always find it disappointing how some jobs with such limited benefit for society (let's take "diversity officers" in companies or government bodies as just one extreme example) are often better paid than jobs that provide real practical value to society.
| | | | | Diversity officers | Mar 14 |
Gerard Barry wrote:
In any case, I always find it disappointing how some jobs with such limited benefit for society (let's take "diversity officers" in companies or government bodies as just one extreme example) are often better paid than jobs that provide real practical value to society.
I can see that they may not have many benefits for you personally. If you belonged to a group that gets discriminated against, you might feel differently.
This is taking us a long way off the original topic though (actually, nearly all of the posts are off topic in relation to the original question).
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Rachel Waddington wrote:
Gerard Barry wrote:
In any case, I always find it disappointing how some jobs with such limited benefit for society (let's take "diversity officers" in companies or government bodies as just one extreme example) are often better paid than jobs that provide real practical value to society.
I can see that they may not have many benefits for you personally. If you belonged to a group that gets discriminated against, you might feel differently.
This is taking us a long way off the original topic though (actually, nearly all of the posts are off topic in relation to the original question).
And tell us, Rachel, which groups get discriminated against? It's rhetorical question, of course. I know the answer will be "women, non-white people, gays, etc." Quite apart from the fact that this isn't the case (at least not on a large scale), most countries (well, Western countries at any rate, non-Western countries don't do "wokeness") have laws in place preventing discrimination, which means anyone who feels they unfairly missed out on a job or a promotion can go to court, which means that "diversity officers" and the like are completely superfluous, and a waste of taxpayers' money in the case of government bodies. If anything, they do harm by a) potentially hiring or promoting underqualified staff on the basis of gender, skin colour, etc. rather than merit and b) creating a hostile working environment for "straight, white men" who are almost second-class employees in some companies nowadays. Such identity politics has no place in the workplace and often just annoys people. (It's also an American import.) Furthermore, many companies who push this DEI nonsense don't even practice what they preach. My second-last employer was a case in point. Although they loved to proclaim how much they valued "diversity", there were precious few black employees in the company (even in their British and American offices). In other words, it was all show. I sometimes felt like telling some of the white, male lawyers that if they really valued "diversity" (which apparently they did), why not vacate their position and give it to a woman, a black person or whatever. Fat chance of that ever happening!
PS: I happen to be gay myself and thus belong to one of the groups that are apparently so hard done by, yet you won't find me wanting preferential treatment. Maybe it's time educated, middle-class women also gave up their victim mentality.
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Gerard Barry wrote:
Rachel Waddington wrote:
Gerard Barry wrote:
In any case, I always find it disappointing how some jobs with such limited benefit for society (let's take "diversity officers" in companies or government bodies as just one extreme example) are often better paid than jobs that provide real practical value to society.
I can see that they may not have many benefits for you personally. If you belonged to a group that gets discriminated against, you might feel differently.
This is taking us a long way off the original topic though (actually, nearly all of the posts are off topic in relation to the original question).
And tell us, Rachel, which groups get discriminated against? It's rhetorical question, of course. I know the answer will be "women, non-white people, gays, etc." Quite apart from the fact that this isn't the case (at least not on a large scale), most countries (well, Western countries at any rate, non-Western countries don't do "wokeness") have laws in place preventing discrimination, which means anyone who feels they unfairly missed out on a job or a promotion can go to court, which means that "diversity officers" and the like are completely superfluous, and a waste of taxpayers' money in the case of government bodies. If anything, they do harm by a) potentially hiring or promoting underqualified staff on the basis of gender, skin colour, etc. rather than merit and b) creating a hostile working environment for "straight, white men" who are almost second-class employees in some companies nowadays. Such identity politics has no place in the workplace and often just annoys people. (It's also an American import.) Furthermore, many companies who push this DEI nonsense don't even practice what they preach. My second-last employer was a case in point. Although they loved to proclaim how much they valued "diversity", there were precious few black employees in the company (even in their British and American offices). In other words, it was all show. I sometimes felt like telling some of the white, male lawyers that if they really valued "diversity" (which apparently they did), why not vacate their position and give it to a woman, a black person or whatever. Fat chance of that ever happening!
PS: I happen to be gay myself and thus belong to one of the groups that are apparently so hard done by, yet you won't find me wanting preferential treatment. Maybe it's time educated, middle-class women also gave up their victim mentality.
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When responding to a topic, stick to the topic as introduced. To change the discussion, it is necessary to post a new topic.
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Rachel Waddington wrote:
Gerard Barry wrote:
Rachel Waddington wrote:
Gerard Barry wrote:
In any case, I always find it disappointing how some jobs with such limited benefit for society (let's take "diversity officers" in companies or government bodies as just one extreme example) are often better paid than jobs that provide real practical value to society.
I can see that they may not have many benefits for you personally. If you belonged to a group that gets discriminated against, you might feel differently.
This is taking us a long way off the original topic though (actually, nearly all of the posts are off topic in relation to the original question).
And tell us, Rachel, which groups get discriminated against? It's rhetorical question, of course. I know the answer will be "women, non-white people, gays, etc." Quite apart from the fact that this isn't the case (at least not on a large scale), most countries (well, Western countries at any rate, non-Western countries don't do "wokeness") have laws in place preventing discrimination, which means anyone who feels they unfairly missed out on a job or a promotion can go to court, which means that "diversity officers" and the like are completely superfluous, and a waste of taxpayers' money in the case of government bodies. If anything, they do harm by a) potentially hiring or promoting underqualified staff on the basis of gender, skin colour, etc. rather than merit and b) creating a hostile working environment for "straight, white men" who are almost second-class employees in some companies nowadays. Such identity politics has no place in the workplace and often just annoys people. (It's also an American import.) Furthermore, many companies who push this DEI nonsense don't even practice what they preach. My second-last employer was a case in point. Although they loved to proclaim how much they valued "diversity", there were precious few black employees in the company (even in their British and American offices). In other words, it was all show. I sometimes felt like telling some of the white, male lawyers that if they really valued "diversity" (which apparently they did), why not vacate their position and give it to a woman, a black person or whatever. Fat chance of that ever happening!
PS: I happen to be gay myself and thus belong to one of the groups that are apparently so hard done by, yet you won't find me wanting preferential treatment. Maybe it's time educated, middle-class women also gave up their victim mentality.
Forum rule 4: Replies should not stray from the posted topic.
When responding to a topic, stick to the topic as introduced. To change the discussion, it is necessary to post a new topic.
Fair enough. But you're the one who said: "I can see that they may not have many benefits for you personally. If you belonged to a group that gets discriminated against, you might feel differently." I felt irritated by this statement and wanted to respond.
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Gerard Barry wrote:
I felt irritated by this statement and wanted to respond.
When the Queerdenkers come to power in Germany, all those unnecessary posts will be abolished. Kanaks and women will be let go.
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Baran Keki wrote:
Gerard Barry wrote:
I felt irritated by this statement and wanted to respond.
When the Queerdenkers come to power in Germany, all those unnecessary posts will be abolished. Kanaks and women will be let go.
Grow up, Baran. When the "Kanaks" (your choice of words, not mine) come to power in Germany, women and gays (like me) won't know what struck them, but that's another story.
PS: The "Querdenker" have been proven right on many thing since the "pandemic", including on the harms of lockdowns and the reality of vaccine damage. But why you as someone living in Turkey feels the need to comment on a German movement that you know nothing about is beyond me.
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Dan Lucas 
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| Well, that escalated quickly | Mar 15 |
Dan
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Dan Lucas wrote:
Well, that escalated quickly
...when plumbers (B. K.) and express drivers (G. B.) are among themselves. Happens also in Portsmouth, to remain on-topic. And I have been there 2007-2008.
[Bearbeitet am 2025-03-15 16:13 GMT]
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Gerard Barry wrote:
When the "Kanaks" (your choice of words, not mine) come to power in Germany, women and gays (like me) won't know what struck them
Lol!!! I had no idea Kanaks were competing with your lot (AfD) to take power in the German elections???
Well, at least in that extremely unlikely event you have your green Ireland to go back to 
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